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hey everyone i'm martin willis your host

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and yes i'm on my boat we're going to

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call this the showboat

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tonight so hey i have a

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5g hot spot i have great internet on my

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boat i discovered the other day

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so here i am um and uh thunderstorms

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just went past

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us so uh a lobster boat went by a few

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minutes ago knocked over the camera so

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i'm going to keep my eyes out for that

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but those guys get up like at

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3am they're usually done long before now

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always depends on the tides and all that

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here we are off the coast of maine and

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the guests this evening i'm pretty

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excited about is chris lito

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lato and uh he is a former uh he's a

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retired

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lieutenant colonel uh f-16 pilot from

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the air force

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uh those are the uh single-seat uh

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planes i believe they are

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uh jets and he has used a lot of this

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equipment

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that the debunkers are talking about in

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the videos

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and he comes up with some real logical

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answers why their debunking

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uh is wrong so he debunks the debunkers

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i know

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he and chris i'm sorry mick west

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had a lot of back and forth going on

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um over some videos and actually it

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i think they both admitted that they

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were wrong about certain things so it

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should be a fascinating show tonight i'm

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excited for it uh the blog this week is

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my uh computer but don't worry we got it

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all figured out i have to if i have to

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jump over to my phone i'll do that

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and uh i hear a lobster boat going by i

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thought they were all done

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for the day so i got to get ready for

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the waves here in a little while but

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anyway the guest tonight again is chris

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plato he'll be coming right up

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um jeff bezos uh went to

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space uh today or yesterday i think it

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was

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successfully there and back so money can

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buy you about anything i guess

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but that's another fascinating step in

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in space um in space travel the future

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of it and

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uh what you can do i guess if you have a

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ton of money anyway that's

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it for uh my blabbing i'm gonna add

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chris right now

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hi chris welcome to the show hi great to

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be here

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yeah i've been watching your videos and

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uh i'm really i was really excited

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someone sent me a

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link uh right away when the first one

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you did went up and

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you got a lot of views right away and

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you made a lot of sense

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and so and you're looking pretty pretty

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deeply into this topic and um the last

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video you posted today

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you said you're going to do a deep dive

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into the nimitz case i'm pretty excited

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for your work on that but let's uh let's

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hear a little bit about your background

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into looking at this

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into uaps um so actually i just fell

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into it to be honest

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really when i saw that video you know i

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made the first video was

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i think end of may and it was uh just

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looking at those three videos you know

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the flear go fast and gimbal

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and when they said it was legit you know

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declassified you know i watched it a few

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months

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previous to that and

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it like wouldn't my brain wouldn't let

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process it it's kind of uh it took a few

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and then i watched the end of may and

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that's really kind of when you see me

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even consider you know uaps in general

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really anything supernatural you know

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i've always grown up

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anti-supernatural if you will you know i

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grew up in houston texas

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um you know i went to the air force

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academy so right out of

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right out of high school you know i

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applied um i honestly didn't think they

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would let me in

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to be honest uh but they did actually

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let me in the air force academy

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and everybody said it's this amazing

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opportunity and you know i was kind of a

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screw-up i felt like i was

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gonna be up to no good i guess after

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high school um

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and so i just wanted some discipline and

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it sounded like something

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non-standard you know growing up in

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houston i would

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i you know i just look around in the

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suburbs of houston

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and i would just see everyone's life you

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know and i just remember thinking

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i just don't want that you know i don't

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want you know

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i don't want the suburban house and

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you know the nine to five job and the

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sunday

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you know going to church and uh and all

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that stuff so for me it was a

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um i just wanted i wanted discipline i

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wanted

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something with meaning and something

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different i guess and um now did you

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have a private

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license ahead of that or

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do any flying ahead of that nothing um

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you know i so really i had a i had a

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buddy in my physics class in

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senior year of high school uh will

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mathis he's actually

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he's a commander i don't know if i

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should name him you know if his names

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are wrong

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uh but uh live tv uh so he was

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he's the commander i think now actually

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of a hornet squad and i haven't talked

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to him in years you know we basically

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lost touch after uh

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after high school but every day in

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physics class he would talk to me uh you

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know we were good buddies and

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he would talk about his dad went to

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annapolis and he

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um you know i think he was a he was a

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pilot i'm not sure if he's a fighter

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pilot actually but he explained the

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whole career the lifestyle

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you know you explain the pension uh you

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can fly these

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you know jets uh you can live this you

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know this lifestyle

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and by the way school is free it's

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amazing education

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everything you know so i was like sure

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i'll apply you know i threw my name in

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um you know i was in the top ten percent

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i was always you know my parents

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they said you had to get good grades and

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and you know i played sports so

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i wasn't like some slouch you know but

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um it was never like my dream to be a

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pilot

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or uh yeah which is

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i kind of feel bad you know because most

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people that come up to me are like hey

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what's it like you know is it amazing

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i'm like i mean yeah you know

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it's very stressful it's very hard

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there's many times it's very exciting

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you know i would say every day is

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you know 13 hours packed into 12. you

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know it's really

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you know you're eating lunch snickers

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so most of the people really want to

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have that job you know they

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they you know they clawed for it they

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tried their whole life

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uh but yeah i think that gave me an

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advantage actually

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um going into pilot training um because

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you get up to a certain level you know

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intense you know high level sports uh

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and it really comes down it's all mental

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it's all metal you know you look at the

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the high level athletes which i i think

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you know being a fighter pilot or in is

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sports team you know it's it's it's

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tribal it's uh

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you know you're in a brotherhood just

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like you're on any any sports team

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um you're just playing the stakes are a

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little bit higher

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you know or quite a bit higher uh but

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you get used to that after a while um

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but i think in pilot training because i

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didn't um

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maybe i didn't it wasn't my life stream

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i didn't care that much so i had an

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advantage where i was

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more relaxed i guess you know like i

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could uh i could be smoother under the

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pressure because

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you know if i failed it wasn't that as

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big a deal i guess you know um

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well they don't say they don't put they

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don't put just anyone in

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a multi-million dollar machine you know

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i mean you have a lot of responsibility

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they don't want to have they don't want

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to lose those so that you know i don't

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even know what those things cost in f16

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you know um but a ton of money and yeah

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it's 30 or 40 million they say and then

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15 000 an hour i think to operator it's

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yeah i mean it's a lot you and that's

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the thing you know you look at all these

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these videos when the when people are

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asking well why didn't you think about

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ryan graves and those guys and you see

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them ass like

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why weren't you considering this it's

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like you know we are doing a mission

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like a very serious mission it's not

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like uh

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you're just like okay what are we gonna

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do everybody when you show up you know

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okay let's go fly around and we're gonna

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take some pictures of stuff no it's like

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you know you've already been

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the week prior you know they've already

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decided what your mission is going to be

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and and that and by the way that was

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decided you know months prior based on

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the training program for the

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uh for the weapon system officer you

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know whoever is your your squadron

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weapons officer who's going to develop

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the training program you know

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everyone takes this stuff very very

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seriously you know you get into fighter

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squad and there's no uh

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uh yeah it's not like you're really

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there's a lot of joking around you know

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there's this culture of

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of messing around you know the 69 the

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420 all these

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all these little interior jokes but even

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those are taken very seriously you know

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it's a

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enjoyed many aspects of it very

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stressful as well

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and um yeah so that's basically yeah

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you know the typical uh commercial pilot

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you ask them

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what's it like and they say 12 000 hours

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of boredom for every 15 seconds of

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horror or something like that

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you know uh yeah that's their their

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answer to it um

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but but one of the things i do want to

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talk to you about um you

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if you're in an f-16 you're alone you

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don't have the whatever the weevo

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whatever they call the guy in the back

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or the person in the back woman or man

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you don't have the weapons operator in

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the back so you have to do

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everything yourself how

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how long i mean how intense is that to

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figure out how to

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do everything while you're in like to

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say if you're in a combat situation what

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type of training

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would you have to get for that and then

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i want to go into the equipment

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how it is similar to what these videos

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you have seen

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um you know what you had that you dealt

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with

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that uh you see that are that these

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videos are coming up

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they have the same equipment more or

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less right

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yeah so that's basically i flew my

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career

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starting kind of the same time you know

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i started flying f-16s in 2004

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so right when the nimitz you know videos

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effectively came out so the flir video

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is from 2004 and the equipment

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the internal equipment is is basically i

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would i would

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argue to guess exactly the same right um

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the internal pod equipment

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but they do modify it somewhat to deal

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with each

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aircraft you know the like on the fleer

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video

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um and i do have uh some some pictures

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that i can show

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if you want to show as well um from the

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flare video but um

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yeah so there's it's it's essentially

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the exact same

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equipment is your it's called a flear

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pod they call a flare pod

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uh in the navy but we just called it a

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tardy pod

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so you know and then they go through

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advanced targeting pods you're always

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getting new upgrades

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uh in the navy and air force

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so they're always adding on new

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equipment but

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the actual equipment itself is exactly

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the same there's a there's a only a

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couple minor differences like on the

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flir video

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if you look in in the f-16 uh to get a

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reference of where the pod is actually

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pointing right because i i

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mentioned that in my video today the

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target pod really what it does is

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provide very accurate

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angle um and and passive

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so it passively tracks a target which is

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uh which is very dangerous right or very

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effective in a

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in a combat environment because they

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whatever you're tracking doesn't know

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that you're tracking it

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right so it's a passive tracking system

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but in the f-16

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we don't have the bearing

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in azimuth so we don't have the azimuth

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and bearing that you see

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on the fleer scope so at the top it'll

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say a little

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one left or seven left that means it's

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the pot is pointing seven degrees to the

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left

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in the f-16 we actually don't have that

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number we have a little

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it's called an uh situational awareness

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dot and it's just a little

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square pixel that shows it's just a you

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know a visual representation of where

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the pod is looking

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i actually like the navy's setup better

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you know i think it's more accurate

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to do the the clear pointing um but that

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is the basic uh the targeting part

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and so when i saw those videos

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specifically

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i think it was the gimbal one but it was

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essentially mick west was on

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uh cnn i believe and he was saying that

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this

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airliner at

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range and it's just it's just so

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preposterous to me

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you know when i looked at the video that

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i had to speak up and that's really when

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i made that kind of inflammatory video

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against mick west

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and that is in many ways that's kind of

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propelled my you know whatever it

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basically

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that video went somewhat viral if you

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will i think chris mellon shared it

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uh because everybody's just kind of

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tired of mick west i think is my

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impression

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of the debunkers yeah yeah um uh

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you know you and i talked a bit off off

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air and i

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i mentioned to you that um i had

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you know basically i had mick west say

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that

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you know he agreed after he listened to

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kevin day

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that um it couldn't be you know a

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commercial

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plane and then two weeks later he was on

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another tv

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station saying that it was so even

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though he admitted he was wrong um

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he he kept he kept to it and what about

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your dealings with mick west because you

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two battled it out pretty good didn't

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you

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um

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actually so i did you know i didn't have

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a lot of communication set up so i was

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in new you so i retired in august

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right i basically spent like five months

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i was writing uh

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you know i wrote a book essentially that

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i'll hopefully publish

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you know maybe later later this year and

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then i just started youtubing end of

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november so it's really been about seven

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or eight months i hadn't had any

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infrastructure set up you know i'm just

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so happy i don't have a boss

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you know or any employees at this point

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you know i'm actually too

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able to do some meaningful work that i'm

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that i'm enjoying you know it's

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challenging

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and i don't have any employees uh or a

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boss so so that's excellent so we we

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actually never talked uh on twitter

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you know we never contacted me i didn't

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even have an email up you know even if

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he tried

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have you know just messaged me on

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twitter or something

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um yeah uh we have just by the way we

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00:16:10,389 --> 00:16:08,800
have gary voorhees and uh in chat

444
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are you familiar with who he is on the

445
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he was on the princeton

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uh i've read his name actually um but

447
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you know honestly i just got into this

448
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six weeks ago so as far as

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00:16:22,230 --> 00:16:21,040
many of the names you know just yeah i

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just uh got

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uh some essay on kevin day you know

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reasonable so i'm barely getting spun up

453
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uh on all this stuff no i don't know

454
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right well um i have uh

455
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i just have a situation here

456
00:16:39,829 --> 00:16:38,079
unfortunately someone called me a ludite

457
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and i understand that that's a guy with

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it has a lot of tech

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00:16:47,269 --> 00:16:43,839
problems and uh

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today i'm on a boat and today i

461
00:16:53,990 --> 00:16:50,959
i tried a uh an inverter to uh

462
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charge my laptop anyway

463
00:16:57,269 --> 00:16:56,320
i'm down to 20 it's eating the battery

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00:16:59,509 --> 00:16:57,279
quickly

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so uh bill i'm going to need you to come

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up because i can't

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run this thing i hate to say this live

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bill but i can't

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00:17:08,230 --> 00:17:07,280
uh run this thing and get in on my phone

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at the same time

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i'm gonna have to have you come right in

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bill if you would

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i am here and it's great to see gary and

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chad and

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dave and all the folks that are hanging

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out in the chat room

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um all right i'm saying you gotta take

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over take over for now when you see me

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and bill bring me in okay

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so what was your take uh chris when this

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uap report did you do any research on it

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um

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on the background of it and the

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involvement of supposedly these cases

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that were involved

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what was your take on the whole uap

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report

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so yeah so i came into the whole uap in

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general nma like i said

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and then i got into the uap report i was

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i was very excited actually

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and i didn't know what to expect um it

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looks like you have

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a lot of people are really disappointed

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with the report that came out

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um i guess i had no expectations

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in in any sense uh but now i've been

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going back and you know looking through

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the old report so on my channel today i

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posted

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you know i found this uh a video i think

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a subscriber pointed out

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and um it was basically from 1952

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uh when they just had whatever you know

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ufo

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reportings over dc and it was the air

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force general major general sanford

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and he he gives a he gives his

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uh i guess you know words at a press

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conference

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about flying saucers and it sounds very

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similar to what

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what we're hearing today uh but i guess

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what's the benefit of what i

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was happy to see in the in the new

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report is they gave specific numbers

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right you know once once you give a

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number it's pretty hard to go back

519
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you know that's why you you know you

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don't give numbers and business dealings

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etc because once you say that number

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now they have something to hang on and

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so i was happy to see you know they that

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had to get approved

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you know everyone basically had to say

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you know yes you can send out that

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information

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and so from the uap report what i was

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00:19:10,310 --> 00:19:08,840
really happy about was first you have

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the you have

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80 incidents where you have

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corroborating data so multiple sensors

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and i think this is

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just so key uh one of the points i want

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00:19:21,909 --> 00:19:19,039
to bring up for this

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00:19:22,789 --> 00:19:21,919
uh for this podcast is just multiple

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sensors

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00:19:26,230 --> 00:19:24,880
you know because what can you trust

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00:19:27,750 --> 00:19:26,240
really when it comes down to what what

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00:19:29,909 --> 00:19:27,760
can you believe what can you trust and

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if it's just a video

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00:19:33,830 --> 00:19:31,840
you know it's it just really limits

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00:19:35,590 --> 00:19:33,840
limits your options you know but now if

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we have multiple sources if we have

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multiple sources of something

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00:19:40,710 --> 00:19:39,200
it really knocks out all of the

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00:19:43,190 --> 00:19:40,720
debunking claims you know

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it's you know if it's if it's hovering

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in 30 knots of wind

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it is not a balloon you know i know that

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you know

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there's certain things you can just

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00:19:51,270 --> 00:19:50,240
knock out like i know it's not an

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airliner at

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00:19:55,190 --> 00:19:53,360
you know 40 miles if i have a

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corroborating radar cut

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that shows it at five miles so it just

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immediately as soon as you have

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00:20:03,110 --> 00:20:01,360
you know corroborating data from

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multiple sensors

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00:20:10,070 --> 00:20:06,480
um then that just ups your your

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00:20:11,190 --> 00:20:10,080
i guess the the water tightness of the

563
00:20:14,470 --> 00:20:11,200
case

564
00:20:15,350 --> 00:20:14,480
the public uh would love to get more of

565
00:20:17,110 --> 00:20:15,360
this information

566
00:20:18,789 --> 00:20:17,120
obviously a lot of this is classified

567
00:20:20,950 --> 00:20:18,799
for the obvious reasons

568
00:20:23,029 --> 00:20:20,960
and i think that's what the public is is

569
00:20:23,590 --> 00:20:23,039
cringing for they want that information

570
00:20:25,430 --> 00:20:23,600
so

571
00:20:27,270 --> 00:20:25,440
they get to see that there's multiple

572
00:20:29,350 --> 00:20:27,280
sources uh corrupt

573
00:20:31,029 --> 00:20:29,360
you know corroborating the what's going

574
00:20:32,870 --> 00:20:31,039
on and maybe

575
00:20:34,149 --> 00:20:32,880
just maybe that with everything that's

576
00:20:35,830 --> 00:20:34,159
going on this whole movement

577
00:20:37,270 --> 00:20:35,840
going forward because in the in the

578
00:20:39,430 --> 00:20:37,280
report it said that the

579
00:20:41,830 --> 00:20:39,440
the air force had little historic uh

580
00:20:44,070 --> 00:20:41,840
data on this which i find bizarre

581
00:20:45,669 --> 00:20:44,080
um going back decades uh project blue

582
00:20:48,230 --> 00:20:45,679
book and some of the other

583
00:20:50,230 --> 00:20:48,240
investigations but would you think that

584
00:20:52,710 --> 00:20:50,240
this will encourage

585
00:20:54,390 --> 00:20:52,720
pilots that are now active duty to come

586
00:20:57,110 --> 00:20:54,400
forward and speak about the things that

587
00:20:58,789 --> 00:20:57,120
they may be witnessing

588
00:21:00,630 --> 00:20:58,799
yeah without a doubt yeah without a

589
00:21:02,630 --> 00:21:00,640
doubt do you think so you know because i

590
00:21:04,230 --> 00:21:02,640
i mean i have you know i had very

591
00:21:05,750 --> 00:21:04,240
basically nothing to lose you know

592
00:21:08,549 --> 00:21:05,760
that's why i can

593
00:21:10,070 --> 00:21:08,559
i basically set it up where i don't i've

594
00:21:10,950 --> 00:21:10,080
gotten to a position in my life where i

595
00:21:14,390 --> 00:21:10,960
don't

596
00:21:16,149 --> 00:21:14,400
thinks you know and i've been able to

597
00:21:17,830 --> 00:21:16,159
make that happen

598
00:21:19,590 --> 00:21:17,840
you know and i praise it every day i'm

599
00:21:22,950 --> 00:21:19,600
like so happy uh

600
00:21:23,270 --> 00:21:22,960
you know i try and you know really just

601
00:21:25,350 --> 00:21:23,280
uh

602
00:21:27,510 --> 00:21:25,360
enjoy it enjoy the time i guess because

603
00:21:29,750 --> 00:21:27,520
i'm just waiting for it to end

604
00:21:30,549 --> 00:21:29,760
um but basically that's only only

605
00:21:32,870 --> 00:21:30,559
because i

606
00:21:34,310 --> 00:21:32,880
i have effectively nothing to lose

607
00:21:36,070 --> 00:21:34,320
essentially um

608
00:21:37,350 --> 00:21:36,080
that i'm able to speak you know and i

609
00:21:38,710 --> 00:21:37,360
don't uh

610
00:21:40,789 --> 00:21:38,720
i don't really fit in with the fighter

611
00:21:42,870 --> 00:21:40,799
world you know it's i'm not

612
00:21:44,149 --> 00:21:42,880
like an outcast or something but you

613
00:21:46,310 --> 00:21:44,159
know i wouldn't i wouldn't

614
00:21:47,669 --> 00:21:46,320
say i'm your standard fighter pilot you

615
00:21:49,350 --> 00:21:47,679
know if you will

616
00:21:50,789 --> 00:21:49,360
uh i think your standard fighter pilot

617
00:21:52,789 --> 00:21:50,799
is like lieutenant commander or

618
00:21:55,590 --> 00:21:52,799
commander fraber you know when i

619
00:21:57,510 --> 00:21:55,600
that's that's what he brought me over to

620
00:21:58,870 --> 00:21:57,520
to the to the the believing side or

621
00:21:59,430 --> 00:21:58,880
possible to believe you know i can't

622
00:22:01,990 --> 00:21:59,440
even

623
00:22:04,470 --> 00:22:02,000
actually say i believe um but it's a

624
00:22:06,789 --> 00:22:04,480
possibility now and i think before now

625
00:22:07,909 --> 00:22:06,799
before i saw fravor's interview with lex

626
00:22:09,750 --> 00:22:07,919
friedman

627
00:22:11,669 --> 00:22:09,760
it just wasn't a possibility you know

628
00:22:14,470 --> 00:22:11,679
and i've and i've seen that now

629
00:22:15,110 --> 00:22:14,480
with i've seen the bias get removed you

630
00:22:18,789 --> 00:22:15,120
know it's

631
00:22:21,750 --> 00:22:18,799
if you really just cannot imagine that

632
00:22:24,310 --> 00:22:21,760
that it is even possible that there

633
00:22:26,310 --> 00:22:24,320
could be alien life you know on earth

634
00:22:27,510 --> 00:22:26,320
um then it doesn't matter kind of what i

635
00:22:29,430 --> 00:22:27,520
can show you um

636
00:22:30,950 --> 00:22:29,440
you know until you experience it or

637
00:22:34,950 --> 00:22:30,960
something i think

638
00:22:37,110 --> 00:22:34,960
it's very difficult um i guess to

639
00:22:39,270 --> 00:22:37,120
to believe or to even think that it's a

640
00:22:41,750 --> 00:22:39,280
possibility you know so i would say

641
00:22:43,430 --> 00:22:41,760
uh but fravor did it you know and and

642
00:22:45,190 --> 00:22:43,440
although i don't have much to lose

643
00:22:46,710 --> 00:22:45,200
i have something to lose you know like

644
00:22:48,549 --> 00:22:46,720
i'm not gonna waste my time i don't you

645
00:22:51,830 --> 00:22:48,559
know i don't waste my effort

646
00:22:52,230 --> 00:22:51,840
um so fravor you know he convinced me

647
00:22:53,830 --> 00:22:52,240
because

648
00:22:57,350 --> 00:22:53,840
when i when i listen to that three-hour

649
00:22:59,830 --> 00:22:57,360
podcast you know the the things he says

650
00:23:01,430 --> 00:22:59,840
um you know i've lived it um i guess

651
00:23:03,590 --> 00:23:01,440
what a lot of people don't realize

652
00:23:05,270 --> 00:23:03,600
and i guess it's part and i tried to

653
00:23:07,190 --> 00:23:05,280
write it in my book

654
00:23:10,149 --> 00:23:07,200
is that you actually kind of mailed with

655
00:23:12,310 --> 00:23:10,159
these machines it's it's like a um

656
00:23:13,510 --> 00:23:12,320
it's it's one system so when you're when

657
00:23:16,230 --> 00:23:13,520
you're in a fighter

658
00:23:17,270 --> 00:23:16,240
you know the pilot is really at least in

659
00:23:19,830 --> 00:23:17,280
the older jets

660
00:23:20,789 --> 00:23:19,840
is the brains you know we're the pilot

661
00:23:22,950 --> 00:23:20,799
is to

662
00:23:24,630 --> 00:23:22,960
fuse the the information is really doing

663
00:23:25,909 --> 00:23:24,640
sensor fusion you know we talk about the

664
00:23:27,990 --> 00:23:25,919
fit generator fighter

665
00:23:29,190 --> 00:23:28,000
fifth generation fighters the f-22s

666
00:23:31,029 --> 00:23:29,200
f-35s

667
00:23:32,710 --> 00:23:31,039
this new capability they have is called

668
00:23:34,830 --> 00:23:32,720
sensor fusion is one of the

669
00:23:36,230 --> 00:23:34,840
one of the tenants of fifth generation

670
00:23:38,789 --> 00:23:36,240
fighting and

671
00:23:40,070 --> 00:23:38,799
and and really that is you're taking all

672
00:23:43,350 --> 00:23:40,080
of the information

673
00:23:43,830 --> 00:23:43,360
you know that these systems can can fuse

674
00:23:45,669 --> 00:23:43,840
or

675
00:23:47,750 --> 00:23:45,679
can gather and then it's picking the

676
00:23:50,950 --> 00:23:47,760
most important information

677
00:23:51,830 --> 00:23:50,960
and and using that um and that's the

678
00:23:53,110 --> 00:23:51,840
sensor fusion

679
00:23:54,789 --> 00:23:53,120
and and that's really what the pilots

680
00:23:55,830 --> 00:23:54,799
did before and i think martin he asked

681
00:23:57,029 --> 00:23:55,840
at the beginning you know what does your

682
00:23:59,350 --> 00:23:57,039
training involve

683
00:24:00,549 --> 00:23:59,360
as you use up your training to use all

684
00:24:03,269 --> 00:24:00,559
these systems

685
00:24:04,070 --> 00:24:03,279
uh and that's really what it involves is

686
00:24:06,870 --> 00:24:04,080
interpreting

687
00:24:08,950 --> 00:24:06,880
the information from these systems and

688
00:24:10,870 --> 00:24:08,960
then understanding which system is

689
00:24:12,470 --> 00:24:10,880
the most important the right time and

690
00:24:15,350 --> 00:24:12,480
that's really sensor fusion

691
00:24:16,390 --> 00:24:15,360
uh it is really picking the critical

692
00:24:18,310 --> 00:24:16,400
sensor

693
00:24:20,230 --> 00:24:18,320
and in corroborating from multiple

694
00:24:21,830 --> 00:24:20,240
sensors you know

695
00:24:23,590 --> 00:24:21,840
if you look you also have the implement

696
00:24:24,230 --> 00:24:23,600
implementation um because they're doing

697
00:24:27,590 --> 00:24:24,240
it now

698
00:24:28,149 --> 00:24:27,600
with the ai uh aspect of it um you're

699
00:24:31,190 --> 00:24:28,159
gonna have

700
00:24:33,190 --> 00:24:31,200
actual wingmen that are ai

701
00:24:34,630 --> 00:24:33,200
drones that are going to do a lot of the

702
00:24:36,789 --> 00:24:34,640
work for the pilot

703
00:24:37,990 --> 00:24:36,799
maybe doing some uh reconnaissance ahead

704
00:24:40,870 --> 00:24:38,000
of them or

705
00:24:42,390 --> 00:24:40,880
as a support group so it's it is what

706
00:24:51,350 --> 00:24:42,400
you're saying is true because it almost

707
00:24:54,630 --> 00:24:52,870
it seems like it's more and more going

708
00:24:55,909 --> 00:24:54,640
to that direction but the one thing i

709
00:24:58,470 --> 00:24:55,919
will say about the pilots

710
00:24:59,990 --> 00:24:58,480
um in active service i'm sure because

711
00:25:02,549 --> 00:25:00,000
they're still on active duty

712
00:25:04,230 --> 00:25:02,559
a lot of this would be held behind

713
00:25:05,269 --> 00:25:04,240
closed doors classified setting because

714
00:25:08,390 --> 00:25:05,279
they're still

715
00:25:10,230 --> 00:25:08,400
um in service i don't see do you see

716
00:25:12,870 --> 00:25:10,240
this happening in public hearings with

717
00:25:14,470 --> 00:25:12,880
pilots that are currently on active duty

718
00:25:17,269 --> 00:25:14,480
participating in a public hearing or do

719
00:25:20,950 --> 00:25:17,279
you think it would be all classified

720
00:25:22,630 --> 00:25:20,960
i i mean i i don't know i i have uh

721
00:25:23,990 --> 00:25:22,640
i'm not sure i mean there shouldn't be

722
00:25:26,310 --> 00:25:24,000
anything that stops

723
00:25:28,070 --> 00:25:26,320
people from talking you know you can ask

724
00:25:29,909 --> 00:25:28,080
me a question and i'll just say look i

725
00:25:31,750 --> 00:25:29,919
you know i can't answer that you know i

726
00:25:35,830 --> 00:25:31,760
mean

727
00:25:38,149 --> 00:25:35,840
so it's really what is the motivation

728
00:25:40,310 --> 00:25:38,159
for it you know who is going to

729
00:25:41,590 --> 00:25:40,320
orient this you know i don't know if the

730
00:25:43,990 --> 00:25:41,600
military could actually

731
00:25:45,750 --> 00:25:44,000
physically stop a pilot from speaking if

732
00:25:46,870 --> 00:25:45,760
he wants to right if he's going to speak

733
00:25:49,669 --> 00:25:46,880
about something

734
00:25:50,789 --> 00:25:49,679
say he saw some uap right and he wants

735
00:25:52,230 --> 00:25:50,799
to go speak on

736
00:25:54,149 --> 00:25:52,240
let's say he wants to come on my channel

737
00:25:57,110 --> 00:25:54,159
you know i don't

738
00:25:58,789 --> 00:25:57,120
think the military can actually say can

739
00:26:00,549 --> 00:25:58,799
actually stop you i i mean i don't know

740
00:26:03,990 --> 00:26:00,559
i'm no lawyer or whatever

741
00:26:05,510 --> 00:26:04,000
um but i i guess they would have to give

742
00:26:07,190 --> 00:26:05,520
you an order

743
00:26:08,870 --> 00:26:07,200
you know don't you know don't go saying

744
00:26:10,549 --> 00:26:08,880
anything um

745
00:26:12,149 --> 00:26:10,559
but i don't know it's it's untrapped you

746
00:26:14,070 --> 00:26:12,159
know i think that was the kind of the

747
00:26:15,830 --> 00:26:14,080
the point is they didn't have a way to

748
00:26:17,110 --> 00:26:15,840
report any of this stuff

749
00:26:19,430 --> 00:26:17,120
right you know you're not even if you

750
00:26:20,549 --> 00:26:19,440
bring it up you know say you bring it up

751
00:26:23,190 --> 00:26:20,559
to your

752
00:26:24,950 --> 00:26:23,200
uh to someone in your squadron how would

753
00:26:26,630 --> 00:26:24,960
you report it

754
00:26:28,950 --> 00:26:26,640
the only way i can think is is through

755
00:26:30,390 --> 00:26:28,960
the safety channels

756
00:26:32,070 --> 00:26:30,400
uh but what if it's not a safety

757
00:26:34,310 --> 00:26:32,080
incident like you see this thing

758
00:26:35,990 --> 00:26:34,320
you know five miles away you have some

759
00:26:37,669 --> 00:26:36,000
gas to burn because you're waiting

760
00:26:39,190 --> 00:26:37,679
you know for the next engagement and so

761
00:26:41,990 --> 00:26:39,200
you like fly over there and try and

762
00:26:44,149 --> 00:26:42,000
check it out i could see that happening

763
00:26:45,269 --> 00:26:44,159
and then you see something i mean i

764
00:26:50,070 --> 00:26:45,279
don't know

765
00:26:51,669 --> 00:26:50,080
jurisdiction to say like you know you

766
00:26:54,549 --> 00:26:51,679
cannot talk

767
00:26:55,990 --> 00:26:54,559
i'm sure they do i'm sure they do well

768
00:26:57,430 --> 00:26:56,000
martin is back

769
00:26:58,870 --> 00:26:57,440
it's it was great having these three

770
00:26:59,669 --> 00:26:58,880
minutes with you chris and i just want

771
00:27:01,830 --> 00:26:59,679
to say

772
00:27:03,029 --> 00:27:01,840
on behalf of everyone at kgra and i'm

773
00:27:04,830 --> 00:27:03,039
sure a lot of the listeners

774
00:27:06,549 --> 00:27:04,840
thank you for your you're welcome

775
00:27:09,029 --> 00:27:06,559
service

776
00:27:09,830 --> 00:27:09,039
and god bless you and your family yeah

777
00:27:13,190 --> 00:27:09,840
thank you bill

778
00:27:15,909 --> 00:27:13,200
see you later you're welcome so

779
00:27:16,870 --> 00:27:15,919
uh yeah interesting uh i couldn't see a

780
00:27:19,269 --> 00:27:16,880
lot of that but

781
00:27:20,389 --> 00:27:19,279
i was backstage for a little bit of it

782
00:27:22,710 --> 00:27:20,399
and one of the

783
00:27:23,990 --> 00:27:22,720
things i i thought of while you two were

784
00:27:27,430 --> 00:27:24,000
talking is

785
00:27:29,590 --> 00:27:27,440
what about the um the ndas or the

786
00:27:31,029 --> 00:27:29,600
when things are classified you were it

787
00:27:32,549 --> 00:27:31,039
seems like you were talking about that

788
00:27:34,310 --> 00:27:32,559
i've always wondered about that because

789
00:27:35,830 --> 00:27:34,320
i think it's pretty interesting that

790
00:27:39,350 --> 00:27:35,840
david fravor

791
00:27:40,789 --> 00:27:39,360
can talk about what he saw yet other

792
00:27:43,430 --> 00:27:40,799
people that were involved in the same

793
00:27:45,750 --> 00:27:43,440
incident or supposedly can't talk about

794
00:27:49,029 --> 00:27:45,760
um some of the data stuff like that

795
00:27:51,190 --> 00:27:49,039
which i think is really bizarre

796
00:27:52,710 --> 00:27:51,200
yeah so i did i actually had a note for

797
00:27:55,909 --> 00:27:52,720
ndace you know there was a

798
00:27:57,190 --> 00:27:55,919
um lou elizondo uh he was on um theory

799
00:27:58,149 --> 00:27:57,200
of everything i don't know if you saw

800
00:28:02,070 --> 00:27:58,159
that

801
00:28:03,350 --> 00:28:02,080
there mick west you know we were talking

802
00:28:04,230 --> 00:28:03,360
about him he had a question you know why

803
00:28:05,990 --> 00:28:04,240
doesn't he

804
00:28:07,590 --> 00:28:06,000
just give up his nda you know if it's so

805
00:28:10,070 --> 00:28:07,600
critical

806
00:28:11,590 --> 00:28:10,080
uh and lou you know he's pretty offended

807
00:28:14,549 --> 00:28:11,600
i didn't know he actually gave up

808
00:28:16,149 --> 00:28:14,559
he gave up his pension he said yes uh

809
00:28:18,630 --> 00:28:16,159
that is a big deal i mean that is

810
00:28:19,190 --> 00:28:18,640
that is the carrot uh for the military

811
00:28:21,190 --> 00:28:19,200
you know i

812
00:28:23,029 --> 00:28:21,200
i probably wouldn't have stayed in 20

813
00:28:25,430 --> 00:28:23,039
years uh if it didn't have a pension

814
00:28:26,950 --> 00:28:25,440
um they kept giving me amazing

815
00:28:29,430 --> 00:28:26,960
assignments actually

816
00:28:30,389 --> 00:28:29,440
uh so i stayed in but he gave that up

817
00:28:32,549 --> 00:28:30,399
and

818
00:28:33,510 --> 00:28:32,559
what i want to mention is it's not like

819
00:28:36,710 --> 00:28:33,520
an nda

820
00:28:40,230 --> 00:28:36,720
in the uh in the civilian world

821
00:28:40,630 --> 00:28:40,240
you know you say ndas but you know i

822
00:28:43,190 --> 00:28:40,640
never

823
00:28:44,230 --> 00:28:43,200
remember signing an nda you know i

824
00:28:47,269 --> 00:28:44,240
signed

825
00:28:49,350 --> 00:28:47,279
i swore an oath you know like to defend

826
00:28:51,350 --> 00:28:49,360
uh the constitution i signed a lot of

827
00:28:51,750 --> 00:28:51,360
things saying i will never speak about

828
00:28:55,750 --> 00:28:51,760
this

829
00:28:58,630 --> 00:28:55,760
or um but

830
00:28:59,269 --> 00:28:58,640
mainly it's like it's it's stronger than

831
00:29:01,269 --> 00:28:59,279
an nda

832
00:29:03,190 --> 00:29:01,279
it is um you know we want anyone who's

833
00:29:05,190 --> 00:29:03,200
been in a combat if you go into a combat

834
00:29:07,430 --> 00:29:05,200
zone you get what's called siri

835
00:29:09,029 --> 00:29:07,440
level training you know um survival

836
00:29:12,310 --> 00:29:09,039
evasion resistance

837
00:29:13,350 --> 00:29:12,320
um uh and then whatever the is the last

838
00:29:16,389 --> 00:29:13,360
e is so sorry

839
00:29:19,269 --> 00:29:16,399
live stream uh so siri you actually get

840
00:29:20,710 --> 00:29:19,279
trained in pow training and so

841
00:29:22,310 --> 00:29:20,720
and that is classified we can't talk

842
00:29:24,710 --> 00:29:22,320
about that but i'll i'll tell you

843
00:29:26,230 --> 00:29:24,720
um you can guess what pow training

844
00:29:28,470 --> 00:29:26,240
involves you know and it probably

845
00:29:30,789 --> 00:29:28,480
involves practice powering

846
00:29:31,830 --> 00:29:30,799
uh and so this is part of the engage you

847
00:29:35,190 --> 00:29:31,840
know that's for a week

848
00:29:36,630 --> 00:29:35,200
training you know and so and you have

849
00:29:38,470 --> 00:29:36,640
friends that died

850
00:29:39,990 --> 00:29:38,480
you know and they didn't give up the

851
00:29:42,149 --> 00:29:40,000
information so it's like it's not

852
00:29:43,269 --> 00:29:42,159
about an nda it's it's it's stronger

853
00:29:46,710 --> 00:29:43,279
than an nda

854
00:29:50,070 --> 00:29:46,720
it is a it's like a blood pact

855
00:29:52,310 --> 00:29:50,080
um you know and we're just not gonna

856
00:29:54,710 --> 00:29:52,320
and especially any fighter pilots or any

857
00:29:56,389 --> 00:29:54,720
operators you know anyone who's had to

858
00:29:58,149 --> 00:29:56,399
you know at least put their life into

859
00:29:59,350 --> 00:29:58,159
someone else's hands in a combat

860
00:30:03,430 --> 00:29:59,360
environment or something

861
00:30:04,950 --> 00:30:03,440
um you're not just going to give that up

862
00:30:07,029 --> 00:30:04,960
is what i'm saying you know people can

863
00:30:09,190 --> 00:30:07,039
torture me and try and get information

864
00:30:11,750 --> 00:30:09,200
and i'm everyone breaks essentially

865
00:30:12,630 --> 00:30:11,760
supposedly everyone breaks but

866
00:30:17,430 --> 00:30:12,640
they're not going to get the right

867
00:30:20,870 --> 00:30:19,190
or i'm going to do my damnedest not to

868
00:30:22,549 --> 00:30:20,880
let it happen you know it's so it's it's

869
00:30:24,070 --> 00:30:22,559
not like i'm just signing an nda you

870
00:30:26,389 --> 00:30:24,080
know i went to work at google

871
00:30:27,750 --> 00:30:26,399
you know and like i'm signing this nda

872
00:30:31,110 --> 00:30:27,760
no it is

873
00:30:32,950 --> 00:30:31,120
uh much more serious than that and he

874
00:30:34,149 --> 00:30:32,960
when i saw lou i was like yeah he's not

875
00:30:36,630 --> 00:30:34,159
he's not gonna break this

876
00:30:37,190 --> 00:30:36,640
you know like yeah he's just not gonna

877
00:30:38,870 --> 00:30:37,200
do it

878
00:30:40,630 --> 00:30:38,880
he already and he gave up his pension

879
00:30:43,190 --> 00:30:40,640
already like what more do you

880
00:30:44,310 --> 00:30:43,200
what more do you need and he yeah he

881
00:30:47,510 --> 00:30:44,320
really was upset

882
00:30:48,310 --> 00:30:47,520
um it was actually mick west that posed

883
00:30:51,190 --> 00:30:48,320
the question

884
00:30:51,750 --> 00:30:51,200
to him uh that was uh the person that

885
00:30:55,430 --> 00:30:51,760
the

886
00:30:57,669 --> 00:30:55,440
host read and uh when he read it uh

887
00:31:00,710 --> 00:30:57,679
lou got really upset he said are you

888
00:31:03,750 --> 00:31:00,720
going to come visit me every day in jail

889
00:31:03,990 --> 00:31:03,760
yes yeah are you gonna are you gonna pay

890
00:31:06,070 --> 00:31:04,000
my

891
00:31:07,269 --> 00:31:06,080
mortgage you know are you going to you

892
00:31:09,750 --> 00:31:07,279
know and all this stuff

893
00:31:10,710 --> 00:31:09,760
um so yeah he has you know he has a lot

894
00:31:12,630 --> 00:31:10,720
to lose

895
00:31:14,549 --> 00:31:12,640
um so let me just it's not that yeah

896
00:31:16,549 --> 00:31:14,559
it's more it's an honor integrity thing

897
00:31:19,190 --> 00:31:16,559
i guess i i i should put it that way

898
00:31:21,029 --> 00:31:19,200
yeah yeah yeah i i know that's kind of

899
00:31:24,070 --> 00:31:21,039
how it is the band of brothers

900
00:31:25,830 --> 00:31:24,080
um and and sisters um so

901
00:31:27,190 --> 00:31:25,840
have you while you were flying let me

902
00:31:30,389 --> 00:31:27,200
just ask you this

903
00:31:32,149 --> 00:31:30,399
um i i did speak to a uh and

904
00:31:34,549 --> 00:31:32,159
a pilot air force pilot one time that

905
00:31:36,149 --> 00:31:34,559
told me he had a ufo encounter for

906
00:31:38,549 --> 00:31:36,159
miles and miles and miles a green orb

907
00:31:40,870 --> 00:31:38,559
was following him but had you ever seen

908
00:31:42,630 --> 00:31:40,880
anything weird or had you ever heard of

909
00:31:45,269 --> 00:31:42,640
anyone personally

910
00:31:46,470 --> 00:31:45,279
um who talked about it and seeing

911
00:31:49,350 --> 00:31:46,480
anything

912
00:31:49,990 --> 00:31:49,360
yeah no you know negative to both

913
00:31:53,430 --> 00:31:50,000
questions

914
00:31:54,789 --> 00:31:53,440
you know i wish um

915
00:31:56,710 --> 00:31:54,799
again you're just you're just not

916
00:31:57,590 --> 00:31:56,720
looking for it you know if i took you on

917
00:32:00,630 --> 00:31:57,600
a fighter mission

918
00:32:03,590 --> 00:32:00,640
you know i think you'd be very

919
00:32:03,909 --> 00:32:03,600
your eyes would be open um you know it's

920
00:32:06,470 --> 00:32:03,919
just

921
00:32:07,430 --> 00:32:06,480
uh the the amount of uh thinking that's

922
00:32:09,590 --> 00:32:07,440
going on

923
00:32:10,710 --> 00:32:09,600
you know you're just sweating in the jet

924
00:32:12,149 --> 00:32:10,720
you know just just

925
00:32:13,509 --> 00:32:12,159
because you're looking at so many things

926
00:32:13,750 --> 00:32:13,519
you're thinking about so many things am

927
00:32:55,269 --> 00:32:13,760
i

928
00:32:56,870 --> 00:32:55,279
hatter

929
00:32:58,630 --> 00:32:56,880
yeah so like if you have to if you have

930
00:32:59,190 --> 00:32:58,640
to if a commercial airliner for instance

931
00:33:01,509 --> 00:32:59,200
has to

932
00:33:03,269 --> 00:33:01,519
change their uh direction of flight and

933
00:33:04,789 --> 00:33:03,279
it impacts some other thing it could

934
00:33:06,549 --> 00:33:04,799
cause a close pass or something you

935
00:33:08,710 --> 00:33:06,559
would have to file a hatter

936
00:33:10,310 --> 00:33:08,720
uh you know i've had it's happened a few

937
00:33:12,070 --> 00:33:10,320
times throughout my career just you know

938
00:33:12,950 --> 00:33:12,080
i heard about it uh someone was mad at

939
00:33:14,710 --> 00:33:12,960
the tower

940
00:33:16,470 --> 00:33:14,720
you know they they turned them into

941
00:33:17,350 --> 00:33:16,480
another another plane and they almost

942
00:33:19,750 --> 00:33:17,360
hit

943
00:33:20,870 --> 00:33:19,760
so they fired a hazardous air traffic

944
00:33:25,190 --> 00:33:20,880
report

945
00:33:27,909 --> 00:33:25,200
there was 11 of these

946
00:33:28,389 --> 00:33:27,919
which i also thought was was interesting

947
00:33:31,750 --> 00:33:28,399
because

948
00:33:34,549 --> 00:33:31,760
what that means is the pilots they

949
00:33:36,310 --> 00:33:34,559
either they decided to file it because

950
00:33:38,710 --> 00:33:36,320
they had to move or they were forced to

951
00:33:41,830 --> 00:33:38,720
file it because they came too close

952
00:33:43,110 --> 00:33:41,840
to one of these objects so those i'm

953
00:33:45,029 --> 00:33:43,120
really interested in those 11

954
00:33:47,350 --> 00:33:45,039
because that means they were probably

955
00:33:47,830 --> 00:33:47,360
visual uh you know visual means the

956
00:33:51,750 --> 00:33:47,840
pilot

957
00:33:53,669 --> 00:33:51,760
sees uh sees the object and

958
00:33:55,750 --> 00:33:53,679
that is kind of ambiguous in a few of

959
00:33:56,149 --> 00:33:55,760
these instances even like chad underwood

960
00:33:58,630 --> 00:33:56,159
you know

961
00:33:59,350 --> 00:33:58,640
i was researching today listening to

962
00:34:01,509 --> 00:33:59,360
some of his

963
00:34:02,389 --> 00:34:01,519
interviews on the nimitz uh when he

964
00:34:05,110 --> 00:34:02,399
filmed that flir

965
00:34:06,789 --> 00:34:05,120
interview or the flir video uh he

966
00:34:07,110 --> 00:34:06,799
actually never saw it with his eyes you

967
00:34:10,069 --> 00:34:07,120
know

968
00:34:11,510 --> 00:34:10,079
so that's why i'm like well did the

969
00:34:13,190 --> 00:34:11,520
pilot see it you know i have a question

970
00:34:15,270 --> 00:34:13,200
did the pilot see it

971
00:34:16,470 --> 00:34:15,280
uh another interesting point i didn't

972
00:34:19,430 --> 00:34:16,480
know from that uh

973
00:34:20,149 --> 00:34:19,440
that i found out today is that the other

974
00:34:23,589 --> 00:34:20,159
commander

975
00:34:25,829 --> 00:34:23,599
also saw it so in one of an interview

976
00:34:27,190 --> 00:34:25,839
i was just reading with chad underwood

977
00:34:28,869 --> 00:34:27,200
he said that um

978
00:34:30,230 --> 00:34:28,879
yeah he didn't see it with his eyes but

979
00:34:33,669 --> 00:34:30,240
he he does know that

980
00:34:35,750 --> 00:34:33,679
commander fraber saw it and uh the

981
00:34:37,030 --> 00:34:35,760
hornet commander who was out there i

982
00:34:39,030 --> 00:34:37,040
don't know who that was i mean

983
00:34:40,869 --> 00:34:39,040
i'm sure we could find it out sorry if i

984
00:34:43,190 --> 00:34:40,879
just outed him

985
00:34:44,389 --> 00:34:43,200
uh but chad underwood did already so

986
00:34:46,710 --> 00:34:44,399
that would be my question

987
00:34:47,990 --> 00:34:46,720
you know what did that guy see he's it

988
00:34:49,589 --> 00:34:48,000
so would that guy come

989
00:34:51,829 --> 00:34:49,599
out potentially you know and i hope

990
00:34:53,589 --> 00:34:51,839
maybe if enough people talk about it

991
00:34:55,829 --> 00:34:53,599
uh you know maybe they'll be willing to

992
00:34:57,670 --> 00:34:55,839
come on you know some channel like mine

993
00:34:59,270 --> 00:34:57,680
you know where i'm not gonna like uh

994
00:35:02,310 --> 00:34:59,280
you know hopefully i won't bring nick

995
00:35:03,510 --> 00:35:02,320
west there challenge it but maybe they

996
00:35:05,510 --> 00:35:03,520
would you know maybe they will

997
00:35:07,270 --> 00:35:05,520
so that would be the hope i think yes

998
00:35:09,270 --> 00:35:07,280
people will come out and i think it's

999
00:35:11,430 --> 00:35:09,280
it's commander fravor it's chris mellon

1000
00:35:13,190 --> 00:35:11,440
you know even jeremy corbell just the

1001
00:35:15,190 --> 00:35:13,200
people getting that information

1002
00:35:16,630 --> 00:35:15,200
declassified well here's here's a

1003
00:35:17,109 --> 00:35:16,640
question for you now that you brought up

1004
00:35:19,589 --> 00:35:17,119
jerry

1005
00:35:20,550 --> 00:35:19,599
jeremy corbell um he's been on the show

1006
00:35:24,150 --> 00:35:20,560
a few times but

1007
00:35:27,829 --> 00:35:24,160
the the question i have for you is

1008
00:35:31,109 --> 00:35:27,839
why is he getting these videos and

1009
00:35:31,670 --> 00:35:31,119
how how can he get these videos and the

1010
00:35:33,990 --> 00:35:31,680
person

1011
00:35:34,950 --> 00:35:34,000
giving him the videos not get into any

1012
00:35:38,069 --> 00:35:34,960
type of

1013
00:35:44,790 --> 00:35:41,750
i i don't know actually um

1014
00:35:47,670 --> 00:35:44,800
because it's interesting because the

1015
00:35:48,950 --> 00:35:47,680
military gets in a pickle right because

1016
00:35:51,349 --> 00:35:48,960
there's nothing in that video that's

1017
00:35:52,150 --> 00:35:51,359
classified right if you look at those

1018
00:35:54,390 --> 00:35:52,160
videos

1019
00:35:56,150 --> 00:35:54,400
there's nothing so that that bridge you

1020
00:35:58,150 --> 00:35:56,160
know at least the

1021
00:36:00,790 --> 00:35:58,160
what they're showing you know the flare

1022
00:36:02,390 --> 00:36:00,800
image uh that radar image which actually

1023
00:36:04,310 --> 00:36:02,400
is from the the spinning

1024
00:36:06,470 --> 00:36:04,320
it's not the c draft radar it's actually

1025
00:36:07,270 --> 00:36:06,480
that uh c marine radar actually i think

1026
00:36:08,950 --> 00:36:07,280
is is what's

1027
00:36:10,390 --> 00:36:08,960
actually that screen i think it's wrong

1028
00:36:13,510 --> 00:36:10,400
in my video

1029
00:36:15,270 --> 00:36:13,520
um but either way that that those

1030
00:36:16,710 --> 00:36:15,280
screens are not classified you know i

1031
00:36:18,630 --> 00:36:16,720
think they keep talking about this

1032
00:36:20,470 --> 00:36:18,640
information center the cic

1033
00:36:23,190 --> 00:36:20,480
you know the combat information center i

1034
00:36:25,829 --> 00:36:23,200
think that's like the brains of the ship

1035
00:36:26,950 --> 00:36:25,839
uh and so i think that is that's down in

1036
00:36:28,870 --> 00:36:26,960
the depths and that's where you're going

1037
00:36:30,310 --> 00:36:28,880
to get the c giraffe radar

1038
00:36:32,550 --> 00:36:30,320
you know you're going to get that'll be

1039
00:36:35,190 --> 00:36:32,560
classified i think so that video

1040
00:36:37,030 --> 00:36:35,200
you know is going to be too classified

1041
00:36:38,710 --> 00:36:37,040
to where anybody filming that now

1042
00:36:39,589 --> 00:36:38,720
because you're filming a classified

1043
00:36:41,030 --> 00:36:39,599
screen

1044
00:36:43,589 --> 00:36:41,040
or the information you're filming is

1045
00:36:45,349 --> 00:36:43,599
classified so that's where it's obvious

1046
00:36:47,349 --> 00:36:45,359
you're going to get in trouble

1047
00:36:49,349 --> 00:36:47,359
but now here these videos like jeremy

1048
00:36:51,589 --> 00:36:49,359
corbell has is there's nothing in the

1049
00:36:53,670 --> 00:36:51,599
video that's classified

1050
00:36:55,109 --> 00:36:53,680
so um so he must have some i haven't

1051
00:36:57,910 --> 00:36:55,119
spoken to him about it

1052
00:36:58,470 --> 00:36:57,920
but he must have some type of connection

1053
00:37:01,270 --> 00:36:58,480
where

1054
00:37:02,150 --> 00:37:01,280
people know his interests and they are

1055
00:37:04,390 --> 00:37:02,160
feeding him

1056
00:37:07,430 --> 00:37:04,400
this material when they realize that

1057
00:37:08,470 --> 00:37:07,440
it's not going to get them in trouble

1058
00:37:10,550 --> 00:37:08,480
i mean that's the only thing i can

1059
00:37:13,829 --> 00:37:10,560
figure out yeah

1060
00:37:15,510 --> 00:37:13,839
exactly um yeah honestly i don't know

1061
00:37:17,109 --> 00:37:15,520
obviously he has sources that

1062
00:37:19,750 --> 00:37:17,119
will trust him you know unless it's

1063
00:37:22,310 --> 00:37:19,760
fraudulent i i don't think it is

1064
00:37:23,990 --> 00:37:22,320
uh it looks it looks legit he has

1065
00:37:24,470 --> 00:37:24,000
sources that will trust him and maybe

1066
00:37:27,510 --> 00:37:24,480
there just

1067
00:37:29,190 --> 00:37:27,520
wasn't an outlet or they didn't feel

1068
00:37:30,710 --> 00:37:29,200
there was any other outlet you know

1069
00:37:33,109 --> 00:37:30,720
i was kind of surprised actually that

1070
00:37:34,390 --> 00:37:33,119
the the reaction i got

1071
00:37:36,390 --> 00:37:34,400
you know because i've been making all

1072
00:37:38,550 --> 00:37:36,400
you know videos for six months and i got

1073
00:37:41,190 --> 00:37:38,560
no real reaction with my videos

1074
00:37:41,829 --> 00:37:41,200
uh and then all of a sudden you know i

1075
00:37:43,990 --> 00:37:41,839
have this

1076
00:37:45,270 --> 00:37:44,000
huge spike you know getting all these

1077
00:37:47,589 --> 00:37:45,280
all these uh

1078
00:37:48,470 --> 00:37:47,599
all these hits if you will so i just

1079
00:37:51,109 --> 00:37:48,480
think there wasn't

1080
00:37:51,990 --> 00:37:51,119
there's not many people in the business

1081
00:37:53,589 --> 00:37:52,000
you know you know

1082
00:37:55,190 --> 00:37:53,599
it's not like i'm special like i haven't

1083
00:37:56,950 --> 00:37:55,200
even seen a uap you know i'm not even

1084
00:38:00,069 --> 00:37:56,960
one of the pilots or wizzos

1085
00:38:01,589 --> 00:38:00,079
uh that has seen anything uh it's just

1086
00:38:04,230 --> 00:38:01,599
i'm i'm actually making

1087
00:38:06,150 --> 00:38:04,240
videos about it or investigating it i

1088
00:38:08,870 --> 00:38:06,160
guess is the difference

1089
00:38:09,750 --> 00:38:08,880
yeah well you know you you said a lot of

1090
00:38:12,470 --> 00:38:09,760
things straight

1091
00:38:14,069 --> 00:38:12,480
and you know one of them i know for

1092
00:38:14,390 --> 00:38:14,079
instance today i watched the video that

1093
00:38:16,950 --> 00:38:14,400
you

1094
00:38:18,710 --> 00:38:16,960
published about six or seven hours ago

1095
00:38:21,750 --> 00:38:18,720
where you talked about

1096
00:38:22,230 --> 00:38:21,760
the tic tac and how it when it goes off

1097
00:38:23,510 --> 00:38:22,240
screen

1098
00:38:25,109 --> 00:38:23,520
a lot of people are saying well that's

1099
00:38:25,750 --> 00:38:25,119
the angle the camera the camera's moving

1100
00:38:28,390 --> 00:38:25,760
whatever

1101
00:38:30,470 --> 00:38:28,400
but you very clearly pointed out that

1102
00:38:32,950 --> 00:38:30,480
it's looking straight ahead

1103
00:38:34,630 --> 00:38:32,960
and that it's not it only moves like a

1104
00:38:36,069 --> 00:38:34,640
very small one percent or something like

1105
00:38:36,870 --> 00:38:36,079
that i don't even one degree or whatever

1106
00:38:41,510 --> 00:38:36,880
it is

1107
00:38:44,150 --> 00:38:41,520
and the thing does go off uh yeah yeah

1108
00:38:46,470 --> 00:38:44,160
yeah easily seen you know if you so mick

1109
00:38:48,069 --> 00:38:46,480
west he has a video uh where he

1110
00:38:48,870 --> 00:38:48,079
basically says it's just the camera

1111
00:38:50,630 --> 00:38:48,880
losing lock

1112
00:38:52,310 --> 00:38:50,640
right so the tardine pods are looking at

1113
00:38:53,990 --> 00:38:52,320
the object and

1114
00:38:56,150 --> 00:38:54,000
it's not really the object that's

1115
00:38:58,550 --> 00:38:56,160
zooming off the screen right it's the

1116
00:38:59,670 --> 00:38:58,560
the targeting pod is losing lock and

1117
00:39:01,349 --> 00:38:59,680
it's just going off

1118
00:39:03,109 --> 00:39:01,359
to the right right it's basically just

1119
00:39:05,349 --> 00:39:03,119
going off to the right

1120
00:39:06,950 --> 00:39:05,359
um but yes it's that's easily seen like

1121
00:39:08,870 --> 00:39:06,960
i was explaining the differences between

1122
00:39:10,550 --> 00:39:08,880
the f16 and f18

1123
00:39:12,150 --> 00:39:10,560
targeting pod we don't have that little

1124
00:39:13,910 --> 00:39:12,160
azimuth indicator you know

1125
00:39:15,589 --> 00:39:13,920
i'd have to look at this little pixel

1126
00:39:17,109 --> 00:39:15,599
dot you know and see it move but the

1127
00:39:19,670 --> 00:39:17,119
f-18 has that

1128
00:39:21,910 --> 00:39:19,680
and you can see just very clearly that

1129
00:39:24,230 --> 00:39:21,920
it doesn't move you know the camera

1130
00:39:25,990 --> 00:39:24,240
does not move i you know from the deep

1131
00:39:29,750 --> 00:39:26,000
dive i'll have to actually go in

1132
00:39:32,310 --> 00:39:29,760
and confirm that the field of view

1133
00:39:34,069 --> 00:39:32,320
of the targeting pod is not is greater

1134
00:39:37,349 --> 00:39:34,079
than one degree but i i'm

1135
00:39:38,230 --> 00:39:37,359
i'm pretty sure it is so i don't know if

1136
00:39:40,230 --> 00:39:38,240
you heard this but

1137
00:39:41,750 --> 00:39:40,240
um i was alerted to it the other day now

1138
00:39:44,230 --> 00:39:41,760
i didn't hear it personally

1139
00:39:45,910 --> 00:39:44,240
but a person i trust uh told me about it

1140
00:39:46,550 --> 00:39:45,920
a listener of the show that i've known a

1141
00:39:53,270 --> 00:39:46,560
long

1142
00:39:56,069 --> 00:39:53,280
there's a possibility of a 23 minute

1143
00:39:57,190 --> 00:39:56,079
video being released one of the things

1144
00:39:59,750 --> 00:39:57,200
that

1145
00:40:00,710 --> 00:39:59,760
um a lot of people bring up in these

1146
00:40:02,069 --> 00:40:00,720
videos is

1147
00:40:04,470 --> 00:40:02,079
well first of all they say they're very

1148
00:40:07,510 --> 00:40:04,480
blurry but

1149
00:40:09,109 --> 00:40:07,520
um it's just the type of um camera

1150
00:40:10,950 --> 00:40:09,119
that has captured it you know the

1151
00:40:11,910 --> 00:40:10,960
whatever whether it's you know the night

1152
00:40:16,230 --> 00:40:11,920
vision the fleur

1153
00:40:19,270 --> 00:40:16,240
or whatever but um this video supposedly

1154
00:40:20,309 --> 00:40:19,280
is going to be 23 minutes of uh more

1155
00:40:22,390 --> 00:40:20,319
than one uap

1156
00:40:25,589 --> 00:40:22,400
in a situation and hopefully we'll get

1157
00:40:28,150 --> 00:40:25,599
to see that sometime soon

1158
00:40:28,790 --> 00:40:28,160
yeah he's in that same podcast uh on

1159
00:40:31,190 --> 00:40:28,800
theory of

1160
00:40:33,109 --> 00:40:31,200
everything or theories of everything he

1161
00:40:34,710 --> 00:40:33,119
was very optimistic actually

1162
00:40:36,390 --> 00:40:34,720
on he said this next month would be

1163
00:40:39,109 --> 00:40:36,400
pretty interesting or very interesting

1164
00:40:39,510 --> 00:40:39,119
he said he said that before and you know

1165
00:40:43,349 --> 00:40:39,520
what

1166
00:40:45,109 --> 00:40:43,359
and it was he was saying something

1167
00:40:47,430 --> 00:40:45,119
to happen right right after he said that

1168
00:40:50,150 --> 00:40:47,440
so you know he has a really good insight

1169
00:40:50,550 --> 00:40:50,160
as you mentioned chris mellon as well so

1170
00:40:52,790 --> 00:40:50,560
yeah

1171
00:40:54,150 --> 00:40:52,800
i'm really glad that these people have

1172
00:40:56,790 --> 00:40:54,160
come forward you know

1173
00:40:58,950 --> 00:40:56,800
i will tell you this a few years ago you

1174
00:41:01,349 --> 00:40:58,960
wouldn't have paid any attention to this

1175
00:41:02,950 --> 00:41:01,359
um not this whole topic you know ever

1176
00:41:03,829 --> 00:41:02,960
since the new york times article came

1177
00:41:05,670 --> 00:41:03,839
out and

1178
00:41:07,270 --> 00:41:05,680
all those people did that work but you

1179
00:41:10,550 --> 00:41:07,280
know before that happened

1180
00:41:11,670 --> 00:41:10,560
um that has changed everything and made

1181
00:41:14,630 --> 00:41:11,680
people like you

1182
00:41:15,670 --> 00:41:14,640
actually feel more safer looking at this

1183
00:41:17,990 --> 00:41:15,680
topic without

1184
00:41:19,270 --> 00:41:18,000
the ridicule factor so much worrying

1185
00:41:23,910 --> 00:41:19,280
about it yeah 100

1186
00:41:25,670 --> 00:41:23,920
um yeah without a doubt i mean it's

1187
00:41:27,990 --> 00:41:25,680
it's really flavor so what i was saying

1188
00:41:30,069 --> 00:41:28,000
earlier is that um

1189
00:41:31,670 --> 00:41:30,079
you end up kind of melding with these

1190
00:41:34,390 --> 00:41:31,680
machines you know because you spend

1191
00:41:36,069 --> 00:41:34,400
thousands and thousands of hours uh

1192
00:41:37,270 --> 00:41:36,079
insane that's just flight hours you know

1193
00:41:40,630 --> 00:41:37,280
i have what

1194
00:41:42,230 --> 00:41:40,640
uh 1850 some odd flight hours

1195
00:41:44,550 --> 00:41:42,240
but for for every hour that i have

1196
00:41:47,910 --> 00:41:44,560
flying a fighter uh you know i have

1197
00:41:48,870 --> 00:41:47,920
one or two hours flying simulators yes

1198
00:41:50,790 --> 00:41:48,880
uh and again

1199
00:41:52,309 --> 00:41:50,800
all of it is using these systems you

1200
00:41:55,670 --> 00:41:52,319
know all you're focusing on

1201
00:41:58,630 --> 00:41:55,680
is uh how to use the the

1202
00:41:59,109 --> 00:41:58,640
fighting system uh to accomplish the

1203
00:42:01,030 --> 00:41:59,119
mission

1204
00:42:02,230 --> 00:42:01,040
right and and you do that through using

1205
00:42:04,069 --> 00:42:02,240
the targeting pod

1206
00:42:06,069 --> 00:42:04,079
through using these night vision goggles

1207
00:42:08,630 --> 00:42:06,079
through using the radar

1208
00:42:10,390 --> 00:42:08,640
and through using your own eyeballs so

1209
00:42:13,430 --> 00:42:10,400
what happens after a while though is

1210
00:42:16,630 --> 00:42:13,440
is this um you tend to meld

1211
00:42:19,670 --> 00:42:16,640
uh with with the machine so

1212
00:42:21,990 --> 00:42:19,680
i know it sounds i guess weird but

1213
00:42:23,430 --> 00:42:22,000
you can anticipate things and you so

1214
00:42:25,910 --> 00:42:23,440
when i see something

1215
00:42:26,710 --> 00:42:25,920
in the targeting pod uh it means more to

1216
00:42:28,069 --> 00:42:26,720
me i guess

1217
00:42:29,670 --> 00:42:28,079
you know it means more to me it's

1218
00:42:30,550 --> 00:42:29,680
because i'm used to looking through that

1219
00:42:31,589 --> 00:42:30,560
uh

1220
00:42:35,270 --> 00:42:31,599
i'm used to looking through that

1221
00:42:37,349 --> 00:42:35,280
spectrum if it makes sense um

1222
00:42:39,270 --> 00:42:37,359
yeah so you'll hear you know we hear the

1223
00:42:40,790 --> 00:42:39,280
radar so when radar hits a fighter when

1224
00:42:43,750 --> 00:42:40,800
radar hits my fighter

1225
00:42:43,990 --> 00:42:43,760
uh i can tell by the the frequency of

1226
00:42:47,109 --> 00:42:44,000
the

1227
00:42:48,309 --> 00:42:47,119
radar warning receiver what type of what

1228
00:42:49,910 --> 00:42:48,319
type of radar it is

1229
00:42:51,990 --> 00:42:49,920
you know i can tell if it's a friendly

1230
00:42:54,790 --> 00:42:52,000
fighter just by how it's hitting

1231
00:42:55,589 --> 00:42:54,800
uh how it's the the type of radio

1232
00:42:59,109 --> 00:42:55,599
frequency

1233
00:43:01,990 --> 00:42:59,119
goggles yeah

1234
00:43:02,950 --> 00:43:02,000
yeah oh i didn't mean to interrupt you

1235
00:43:05,670 --> 00:43:02,960
but

1236
00:43:07,670 --> 00:43:05,680
when you are locked on you know that

1237
00:43:09,670 --> 00:43:07,680
don't you you have all kinds of like

1238
00:43:12,230 --> 00:43:09,680
warnings going off that you have a lock

1239
00:43:15,270 --> 00:43:12,240
on correct

1240
00:43:17,109 --> 00:43:15,280
it depends it depends right so part of

1241
00:43:20,230 --> 00:43:17,119
it is is understanding how all these

1242
00:43:21,589 --> 00:43:20,240
systems interrelate um so sometimes you

1243
00:43:22,790 --> 00:43:21,599
have a lock but you don't have a lock

1244
00:43:24,470 --> 00:43:22,800
with all your systems

1245
00:43:27,190 --> 00:43:24,480
and that's what we see in the in these

1246
00:43:29,270 --> 00:43:27,200
videos which is also very confusing

1247
00:43:30,630 --> 00:43:29,280
because normally in the in these

1248
00:43:33,030 --> 00:43:30,640
targeting pod videos

1249
00:43:33,670 --> 00:43:33,040
you will also have a radar locked to it

1250
00:43:35,349 --> 00:43:33,680
right

1251
00:43:37,910 --> 00:43:35,359
because you're going to have all of your

1252
00:43:39,829 --> 00:43:37,920
sensors looking at the same target

1253
00:43:41,190 --> 00:43:39,839
and to identify it okay you can't split

1254
00:43:43,510 --> 00:43:41,200
up you can have your radar tracking

1255
00:43:46,550 --> 00:43:43,520
other things you can you can make it go

1256
00:43:48,150 --> 00:43:46,560
weird you know but uh uh generally you

1257
00:43:49,750 --> 00:43:48,160
want all of your sensors so i

1258
00:43:51,510 --> 00:43:49,760
what chad underwood said you know

1259
00:43:52,550 --> 00:43:51,520
basically when he went to to find the

1260
00:43:54,710 --> 00:43:52,560
tic tac

1261
00:43:56,550 --> 00:43:54,720
is the ship gave him a vector okay so

1262
00:43:57,670 --> 00:43:56,560
the ship was seeing it with its radar

1263
00:44:01,349 --> 00:43:57,680
i'm assuming the sp

1264
00:44:03,270 --> 00:44:01,359
y1 radar you know and then it told him

1265
00:44:04,710 --> 00:44:03,280
where to go so it gave him a vector to

1266
00:44:07,670 --> 00:44:04,720
intercept it

1267
00:44:09,349 --> 00:44:07,680
and then he used his radar uh and so he

1268
00:44:12,150 --> 00:44:09,359
painted it with his radar

1269
00:44:12,870 --> 00:44:12,160
and then he was able to tr to lock it

1270
00:44:15,030 --> 00:44:12,880
okay but

1271
00:44:16,470 --> 00:44:15,040
locking with your radar uh normally you

1272
00:44:18,069 --> 00:44:16,480
would just get a stable track

1273
00:44:19,990 --> 00:44:18,079
you know it'll show up you know i see a

1274
00:44:22,390 --> 00:44:20,000
little blip on my radar screen

1275
00:44:24,309 --> 00:44:22,400
i move the cursors with my left thumb

1276
00:44:25,349 --> 00:44:24,319
and then i team us forward to command a

1277
00:44:26,630 --> 00:44:25,359
lock it's different in the

1278
00:44:28,390 --> 00:44:26,640
in the hornet okay i was starting to

1279
00:44:30,390 --> 00:44:28,400
learn it in dcs

1280
00:44:31,589 --> 00:44:30,400
uh but then the radar will do its best

1281
00:44:34,710 --> 00:44:31,599
to try and

1282
00:44:36,950 --> 00:44:34,720
focus more energy onto that target

1283
00:44:38,790 --> 00:44:36,960
uh so that it can give a weapons quality

1284
00:44:40,870 --> 00:44:38,800
track okay because otherwise it's it's

1285
00:44:43,030 --> 00:44:40,880
just kind of tapping a target

1286
00:44:45,109 --> 00:44:43,040
so it's not spending all of its energy

1287
00:44:46,630 --> 00:44:45,119
just focusing on one single target it's

1288
00:44:48,470 --> 00:44:46,640
it's scanning through the sky so you

1289
00:44:51,190 --> 00:44:48,480
can't have like some wily

1290
00:44:52,870 --> 00:44:51,200
fighter come down low or something so

1291
00:44:54,710 --> 00:44:52,880
when you're commanding a lock

1292
00:44:56,390 --> 00:44:54,720
what you're really doing in that case is

1293
00:44:58,710 --> 00:44:56,400
you're telling the radar

1294
00:45:00,309 --> 00:44:58,720
to give you a weapons quality track tell

1295
00:45:03,270 --> 00:45:00,319
me exactly where this thing is just

1296
00:45:05,589 --> 00:45:03,280
stare at it with all of your energy

1297
00:45:07,349 --> 00:45:05,599
but with a tardy pod now which is what

1298
00:45:08,630 --> 00:45:07,359
what we see in all these videos you know

1299
00:45:11,829 --> 00:45:08,640
the flare one go fast

1300
00:45:14,150 --> 00:45:11,839
and gimbal um it has a passive lock

1301
00:45:16,630 --> 00:45:14,160
so it works it works different it

1302
00:45:17,589 --> 00:45:16,640
actually uses the screen so it uses just

1303
00:45:19,589 --> 00:45:17,599
the screen

1304
00:45:22,230 --> 00:45:19,599
to process the little pixels on the

1305
00:45:23,030 --> 00:45:22,240
screen and it tries to pick out a target

1306
00:45:25,750 --> 00:45:23,040
just based on

1307
00:45:26,069 --> 00:45:25,760
on its uh processing so for that it will

1308
00:45:28,870 --> 00:45:26,079
just

1309
00:45:30,230 --> 00:45:28,880
lock the little uh whatever is in its

1310
00:45:33,910 --> 00:45:30,240
processing to to do

1311
00:45:35,030 --> 00:45:33,920
a object tracking which is i think they

1312
00:45:37,510 --> 00:45:35,040
call it auto track

1313
00:45:39,670 --> 00:45:37,520
so he does initially chat underwood he

1314
00:45:41,349 --> 00:45:39,680
says he's able to lock it on radar

1315
00:45:43,750 --> 00:45:41,359
uh which is surprising although he does

1316
00:45:45,750 --> 00:45:43,760
say it actually goes from 50 feet up to

1317
00:45:46,630 --> 00:45:45,760
50 000 feet as well so he's seeing a lot

1318
00:45:49,670 --> 00:45:46,640
of erratic

1319
00:45:51,430 --> 00:45:49,680
altitude cuts on his on his radar

1320
00:45:54,150 --> 00:45:51,440
but either way they're able to lock it

1321
00:45:56,950 --> 00:45:54,160
and then get to within range to lock it

1322
00:45:58,870 --> 00:45:56,960
with the target pod

1323
00:45:59,990 --> 00:45:58,880
but what you'll see is they have no

1324
00:46:03,109 --> 00:46:00,000
range so it keeps

1325
00:46:04,950 --> 00:46:03,119
saying 99.9 uh ranging

1326
00:46:06,150 --> 00:46:04,960
uh normally that would tell you exactly

1327
00:46:08,069 --> 00:46:06,160
how far you are

1328
00:46:09,910 --> 00:46:08,079
to the target so the radar will either

1329
00:46:11,670 --> 00:46:09,920
tell you and then it'll in the f16

1330
00:46:14,790 --> 00:46:11,680
anyway it'll say it'll have a little

1331
00:46:18,069 --> 00:46:14,800
f next to the range so it'll say like f

1332
00:46:21,750 --> 00:46:18,079
3.4 miles and in my hud it'll come up

1333
00:46:23,430 --> 00:46:21,760
f 3.4 so i know that it comes that range

1334
00:46:24,790 --> 00:46:23,440
comes from my radar and i have a valid

1335
00:46:27,190 --> 00:46:24,800
radar track

1336
00:46:29,349 --> 00:46:27,200
um if it says something else now so it

1337
00:46:29,910 --> 00:46:29,359
probably it did not say or i know it

1338
00:46:32,390 --> 00:46:29,920
didn't say

1339
00:46:33,349 --> 00:46:32,400
f uh with a range because it didn't have

1340
00:46:35,109 --> 00:46:33,359
a range

1341
00:46:37,589 --> 00:46:35,119
uh and which is interesting because all

1342
00:46:40,390 --> 00:46:37,599
of these intercepts you'll notice

1343
00:46:42,150 --> 00:46:40,400
oh there's no range and so that means

1344
00:46:43,829 --> 00:46:42,160
the radar is not uh

1345
00:46:45,510 --> 00:46:43,839
either they couldn't get a lock which is

1346
00:46:49,270 --> 00:46:45,520
what they said in the nimitz

1347
00:46:51,510 --> 00:46:49,280
um or it it it uh denied their lock

1348
00:46:55,430 --> 00:46:51,520
broke their lock et cetera

1349
00:46:57,670 --> 00:46:55,440
interesting and and also you would

1350
00:46:59,190 --> 00:46:57,680
would you see yourself would you see a

1351
00:47:01,349 --> 00:46:59,200
transponder on another

1352
00:47:04,150 --> 00:47:01,359
craft or would that only be for

1353
00:47:06,309 --> 00:47:04,160
ground-based radar

1354
00:47:08,069 --> 00:47:06,319
uh it depends so if you have an

1355
00:47:12,390 --> 00:47:08,079
interrogator

1356
00:47:13,750 --> 00:47:12,400
times it depends on the aircraft

1357
00:47:15,670 --> 00:47:13,760
uh so basically if you have an

1358
00:47:17,910 --> 00:47:15,680
interrogator then you you push a little

1359
00:47:20,309 --> 00:47:17,920
button in the f-16 it's like a little

1360
00:47:22,069 --> 00:47:20,319
thumb left and it will interrogate

1361
00:47:23,750 --> 00:47:22,079
wherever your radar is looking so your

1362
00:47:23,990 --> 00:47:23,760
scan volume or your radar is usually

1363
00:47:25,589 --> 00:47:24,000
like

1364
00:47:27,349 --> 00:47:25,599
plus or minus 60 degrees you know it's

1365
00:47:29,829 --> 00:47:27,359
pretty much out in front of you

1366
00:47:31,109 --> 00:47:29,839
um it will scan through there and just

1367
00:47:33,190 --> 00:47:31,119
say hey

1368
00:47:34,150 --> 00:47:33,200
transponders out there you know give me

1369
00:47:38,069 --> 00:47:34,160
a hit back

1370
00:47:40,150 --> 00:47:38,079
and that will tell you uh what their iff

1371
00:47:41,190 --> 00:47:40,160
you know friendly or foe identification

1372
00:47:43,910 --> 00:47:41,200
friendlier foe

1373
00:47:44,710 --> 00:47:43,920
uh will come back as but normally you

1374
00:47:47,270 --> 00:47:44,720
have to

1375
00:47:48,790 --> 00:47:47,280
activate it um but it's an amazing tool

1376
00:47:49,190 --> 00:47:48,800
i mean if you have an interrogator it's

1377
00:47:52,470 --> 00:47:49,200
it's

1378
00:47:53,829 --> 00:47:52,480
radar in in

1379
00:47:55,030 --> 00:47:53,839
a civilian environment you know because

1380
00:47:57,510 --> 00:47:55,040
it tells me where all the where all the

1381
00:48:01,270 --> 00:47:57,520
civilian aircraft are so i don't

1382
00:48:04,309 --> 00:48:01,280
run into you guys you know basically um

1383
00:48:05,670 --> 00:48:04,319
now i i i do in this this when we

1384
00:48:07,829 --> 00:48:05,680
go into the second hour i wanted to talk

1385
00:48:09,190 --> 00:48:07,839
about specific videos but

1386
00:48:11,270 --> 00:48:09,200
and we're going in about seven minutes

1387
00:48:12,470 --> 00:48:11,280
we're going into our uh five-minute

1388
00:48:14,390 --> 00:48:12,480
break

1389
00:48:15,510 --> 00:48:14,400
and and this can be a little tricky i'm

1390
00:48:17,589 --> 00:48:15,520
on the phone here

1391
00:48:18,950 --> 00:48:17,599
um so but hopefully bill will be able to

1392
00:48:22,630 --> 00:48:18,960
pull that all off

1393
00:48:25,670 --> 00:48:24,549
i i have a friend lee spiegel was his

1394
00:48:28,950 --> 00:48:25,680
name

1395
00:48:33,030 --> 00:48:28,960
and he was researching years ago in the

1396
00:48:36,309 --> 00:48:33,040
air force academy flight school handbook

1397
00:48:39,990 --> 00:48:36,319
there was a chapter on unidentified

1398
00:48:41,030 --> 00:48:40,000
objects and i'm wondering do you recall

1399
00:48:44,630 --> 00:48:41,040
anything about that

1400
00:48:46,230 --> 00:48:44,640
in flight school because they did remove

1401
00:48:49,829 --> 00:48:46,240
it never

1402
00:48:51,670 --> 00:48:49,839
yeah never on it yeah and was that ever

1403
00:48:53,190 --> 00:48:51,680
talked about in flight school i mean

1404
00:48:56,230 --> 00:48:53,200
i mean it's not something you would

1405
00:48:58,630 --> 00:48:56,240
think about but would you think about it

1406
00:49:00,950 --> 00:48:58,640
no yeah i mean literally never thought

1407
00:49:03,349 --> 00:49:00,960
of it literally like i thought uh

1408
00:49:04,790 --> 00:49:03,359
you know i've heard i heard of roswell

1409
00:49:06,549 --> 00:49:04,800
um

1410
00:49:08,790 --> 00:49:06,559
i didn't really think anything of it you

1411
00:49:10,950 --> 00:49:08,800
know um i will say i had a

1412
00:49:12,710 --> 00:49:10,960
i had a chemistry teacher at the air

1413
00:49:15,109 --> 00:49:12,720
force academy

1414
00:49:15,990 --> 00:49:15,119
and he had said it was it was humans

1415
00:49:17,670 --> 00:49:16,000
that's all i remember

1416
00:49:19,109 --> 00:49:17,680
this is like the only encounter i ever

1417
00:49:21,190 --> 00:49:19,119
had in aliens is

1418
00:49:22,950 --> 00:49:21,200
he was a chemistry teacher and

1419
00:49:23,829 --> 00:49:22,960
supposedly he just said yeah yeah it's

1420
00:49:26,470 --> 00:49:23,839
humans he was

1421
00:49:27,829 --> 00:49:26,480
i don't know if he had but again this

1422
00:49:29,670 --> 00:49:27,839
was in 2000

1423
00:49:31,910 --> 00:49:29,680
how would he know it was still 50 years

1424
00:49:33,829 --> 00:49:31,920
before so

1425
00:49:36,470 --> 00:49:33,839
but nothing so no nothing about

1426
00:49:38,069 --> 00:49:36,480
unidentified flying objects

1427
00:49:40,309 --> 00:49:38,079
you know we're worried about like you

1428
00:49:44,069 --> 00:49:40,319
know chemical weapons training you know

1429
00:49:47,030 --> 00:49:44,079
am i wearing my chem mask correctly um

1430
00:49:48,710 --> 00:49:47,040
not failing you know passing emergency

1431
00:49:51,190 --> 00:49:48,720
procedures

1432
00:49:53,670 --> 00:49:51,200
all the mission elements never on on

1433
00:49:57,670 --> 00:49:53,680
ufos or uaps or

1434
00:49:59,589 --> 00:49:57,680
honestly up until up until six weeks ago

1435
00:50:01,109 --> 00:49:59,599
i honestly thought i i was in line with

1436
00:50:03,589 --> 00:50:01,119
the science community that

1437
00:50:04,390 --> 00:50:03,599
the universe is just too big based on

1438
00:50:05,750 --> 00:50:04,400
the size

1439
00:50:07,670 --> 00:50:05,760
that you know based on light speed

1440
00:50:10,069 --> 00:50:07,680
there's no way it is absolutely

1441
00:50:11,990 --> 00:50:10,079
impossible anything could get here

1442
00:50:13,589 --> 00:50:12,000
within you know a few hundreds thousands

1443
00:50:16,790 --> 00:50:13,599
at the minimum years

1444
00:50:18,950 --> 00:50:16,800
um so i just never considered it

1445
00:50:22,150 --> 00:50:18,960
you know as even a possibility it which

1446
00:50:24,630 --> 00:50:22,160
is kind of crazy i guess

1447
00:50:26,470 --> 00:50:24,640
it is and you know i mean one of the

1448
00:50:29,190 --> 00:50:26,480
things that i think is kind of

1449
00:50:30,150 --> 00:50:29,200
strange and i've heard someone else talk

1450
00:50:33,430 --> 00:50:30,160
about this

1451
00:50:36,790 --> 00:50:33,440
is um it seems like most of the media

1452
00:50:40,069 --> 00:50:36,800
out of this report spawned

1453
00:50:41,829 --> 00:50:40,079
headlines of it's not aliens

1454
00:50:43,670 --> 00:50:41,839
you know i talked about this last week

1455
00:50:45,270 --> 00:50:43,680
lawrence krauss

1456
00:50:46,790 --> 00:50:45,280
whatever it is it ain't aliens that was

1457
00:50:48,870 --> 00:50:46,800
the title of his um

1458
00:50:51,109 --> 00:50:48,880
but that seems like to be the focus and

1459
00:50:54,390 --> 00:50:51,119
they they never

1460
00:50:55,109 --> 00:50:54,400
said that there was no definitive no

1461
00:50:57,190 --> 00:50:55,119
that it's not

1462
00:50:58,630 --> 00:50:57,200
it's just that it might be something it

1463
00:51:01,270 --> 00:50:58,640
might be something else

1464
00:51:01,829 --> 00:51:01,280
you know so i don't understand where

1465
00:51:04,870 --> 00:51:01,839
everyone

1466
00:51:07,190 --> 00:51:04,880
got that attitude all of a sudden

1467
00:51:08,390 --> 00:51:07,200
that you know has nothing to do with

1468
00:51:10,630 --> 00:51:08,400
extraterrestrial

1469
00:51:11,510 --> 00:51:10,640
and i'm not saying that i know that it

1470
00:51:13,670 --> 00:51:11,520
does either

1471
00:51:15,270 --> 00:51:13,680
but i'm just saying that it's definitely

1472
00:51:16,069 --> 00:51:15,280
a possibility and it should be in the

1473
00:51:18,790 --> 00:51:16,079
running for the

1474
00:51:20,710 --> 00:51:18,800
totally unexplained things and uh you'll

1475
00:51:22,950 --> 00:51:20,720
see that coming up in a few minutes

1476
00:51:23,750 --> 00:51:22,960
um in a clip i'm going to run during the

1477
00:51:27,589 --> 00:51:23,760
break

1478
00:51:31,190 --> 00:51:27,599
but uh yeah that's what i saw is

1479
00:51:33,109 --> 00:51:31,200
chris mellon you know um in his recent

1480
00:51:33,750 --> 00:51:33,119
review that was his point his argument

1481
00:51:35,829 --> 00:51:33,760
is

1482
00:51:37,910 --> 00:51:35,839
that's all he was happy with the report

1483
00:51:40,549 --> 00:51:37,920
actually he was happy with the report

1484
00:51:42,309 --> 00:51:40,559
that they came out and but he was

1485
00:51:44,309 --> 00:51:42,319
unhappy with the the media

1486
00:51:45,510 --> 00:51:44,319
reaction and he said the media's

1487
00:51:49,190 --> 00:51:45,520
reaction is it's not

1488
00:51:50,710 --> 00:51:49,200
aliens which is not the case

1489
00:51:52,230 --> 00:51:50,720
i think i may have just gotten that

1490
00:51:53,670 --> 00:51:52,240
statement from

1491
00:51:55,270 --> 00:51:53,680
something i heard him say that kind of

1492
00:51:56,790 --> 00:51:55,280
made me think about it some more

1493
00:51:58,390 --> 00:51:56,800
that might have been where i first heard

1494
00:52:01,510 --> 00:51:58,400
someone talk about it yes

1495
00:52:02,870 --> 00:52:01,520
that was chris mellon right yeah he

1496
00:52:06,150 --> 00:52:02,880
wrote it in that uap

1497
00:52:08,390 --> 00:52:06,160
response uh in his letter

1498
00:52:09,990 --> 00:52:08,400
you know about the uap report uh he

1499
00:52:12,069 --> 00:52:10,000
basically says that that he's not happy

1500
00:52:14,390 --> 00:52:12,079
with the media's response

1501
00:52:16,230 --> 00:52:14,400
and that they just say it's not aliens

1502
00:52:18,390 --> 00:52:16,240
and his argument is

1503
00:52:20,790 --> 00:52:18,400
you know if it's if it's not us it's not

1504
00:52:21,829 --> 00:52:20,800
the russians or the chinese then you

1505
00:52:24,069 --> 00:52:21,839
know who is it

1506
00:52:25,349 --> 00:52:24,079
uh yeah that was kind of his point is

1507
00:52:30,069 --> 00:52:25,359
why is it off the table

1508
00:52:31,829 --> 00:52:30,079
you know i'm wondering if there's going

1509
00:52:34,549 --> 00:52:31,839
to be more funding uh

1510
00:52:35,109 --> 00:52:34,559
for the research of that or not um you

1511
00:52:36,950 --> 00:52:35,119
know we'll

1512
00:52:38,150 --> 00:52:36,960
we'll see what the future holds there

1513
00:52:40,230 --> 00:52:38,160
are some people

1514
00:52:41,510 --> 00:52:40,240
that uh think that it should be

1515
00:52:43,990 --> 00:52:41,520
researched

1516
00:52:45,510 --> 00:52:44,000
i don't think it shouldn't you know i

1517
00:52:47,430 --> 00:52:45,520
mean i think would be crazy if they

1518
00:52:50,150 --> 00:52:47,440
didn't put some money into

1519
00:52:51,510 --> 00:52:50,160
um what is what people are seeing out

1520
00:52:54,309 --> 00:52:51,520
there i mean

1521
00:52:55,430 --> 00:52:54,319
and it's not just the military um you

1522
00:52:57,109 --> 00:52:55,440
know i mean

1523
00:52:59,030 --> 00:52:57,119
that's what they're focusing on but it's

1524
00:53:00,470 --> 00:52:59,040
not just the military i mean

1525
00:53:02,390 --> 00:53:00,480
there's a there's a lot more people in

1526
00:53:04,390 --> 00:53:02,400
the world than military people

1527
00:53:05,990 --> 00:53:04,400
so um there's a lot of credible

1528
00:53:08,150 --> 00:53:06,000
witnesses all over that are

1529
00:53:09,190 --> 00:53:08,160
seeing something and i think it's i

1530
00:53:11,190 --> 00:53:09,200
think it just takes

1531
00:53:12,950 --> 00:53:11,200
the point where someone has to have a

1532
00:53:13,270 --> 00:53:12,960
sighting themselves before they realize

1533
00:53:15,990 --> 00:53:13,280
that

1534
00:53:16,630 --> 00:53:16,000
hey maybe there is something to this you

1535
00:53:18,390 --> 00:53:16,640
know

1536
00:53:20,309 --> 00:53:18,400
yeah exactly and and that's really what

1537
00:53:21,589 --> 00:53:20,319
i feel when i when i listen to the

1538
00:53:23,750 --> 00:53:21,599
fraver interview

1539
00:53:24,870 --> 00:53:23,760
is that's what i had is is i feel like i

1540
00:53:26,950 --> 00:53:24,880
was there

1541
00:53:28,870 --> 00:53:26,960
um because the way he explains it and

1542
00:53:30,309 --> 00:53:28,880
i've been in that same exact situation i

1543
00:53:33,349 --> 00:53:30,319
know everything he's talking about

1544
00:53:33,750 --> 00:53:33,359
um it's kind of like i was there you

1545
00:53:37,190 --> 00:53:33,760
know

1546
00:53:39,030 --> 00:53:37,200
and i'm seeing this uh as he sees it

1547
00:53:40,870 --> 00:53:39,040
um you know because you do so much chair

1548
00:53:42,630 --> 00:53:40,880
flying too when you're when we're flying

1549
00:53:44,390 --> 00:53:42,640
we cheer fly so much and

1550
00:53:45,829 --> 00:53:44,400
uh and so you're just always mentally

1551
00:53:48,230 --> 00:53:45,839
going through the processes

1552
00:53:50,069 --> 00:53:48,240
and so that was the difference for me so

1553
00:53:53,430 --> 00:53:50,079
i've never experienced

1554
00:53:54,950 --> 00:53:53,440
uh i will you know if the aliens want to

1555
00:53:56,950 --> 00:53:54,960
experience with me my email

1556
00:53:58,470 --> 00:53:56,960
is on you know it's on my youtube about

1557
00:53:59,910 --> 00:53:58,480
page

1558
00:54:01,990 --> 00:53:59,920
because i want to know and i want to

1559
00:54:03,990 --> 00:54:02,000
know like

1560
00:54:05,430 --> 00:54:04,000
but it's it's just it's disheartening it

1561
00:54:07,510 --> 00:54:05,440
is right because you look

1562
00:54:08,710 --> 00:54:07,520
i mean 69 years ago the air force was

1563
00:54:10,390 --> 00:54:08,720
saying essentially this

1564
00:54:13,109 --> 00:54:10,400
the same you know they they got radar

1565
00:54:15,750 --> 00:54:13,119
hits uh they launched the aircraft

1566
00:54:17,510 --> 00:54:15,760
and they looked and it was uh red and

1567
00:54:19,349 --> 00:54:17,520
orange lights

1568
00:54:21,430 --> 00:54:19,359
you know and they and they don't know

1569
00:54:22,950 --> 00:54:21,440
what it is uh but they're sure it's not

1570
00:54:25,190 --> 00:54:22,960
a menace to

1571
00:54:27,190 --> 00:54:25,200
us you know if if they don't know what

1572
00:54:28,150 --> 00:54:27,200
it is then how can they be sure that

1573
00:54:31,670 --> 00:54:28,160
it's not a

1574
00:54:33,349 --> 00:54:31,680
threat is my my biggest question

1575
00:54:35,990 --> 00:54:33,359
but they say it like straight face you

1576
00:54:37,750 --> 00:54:36,000
know and this is military people like

1577
00:54:39,670 --> 00:54:37,760
i guarantee any military person's like

1578
00:54:41,829 --> 00:54:39,680
no no i want to know what it is

1579
00:54:43,829 --> 00:54:41,839
you know i want to know what it is and

1580
00:54:45,589 --> 00:54:43,839
then i'll determine if it's a threat

1581
00:54:47,349 --> 00:54:45,599
but here they are now now the now the

1582
00:54:49,510 --> 00:54:47,359
military says well

1583
00:54:50,710 --> 00:54:49,520
we know it's not a threat uh but we have

1584
00:54:53,910 --> 00:54:50,720
no idea what it is

1585
00:54:54,230 --> 00:54:53,920
you know which is it's it's like you

1586
00:54:57,589 --> 00:54:54,240
said

1587
00:54:58,870 --> 00:54:57,599
69 years ago the same almost the same

1588
00:55:01,510 --> 00:54:58,880
thing is being said

1589
00:55:03,510 --> 00:55:01,520
you know i mean that's pretty ironic and

1590
00:55:04,950 --> 00:55:03,520
i saw that clip i've run that clip to on

1591
00:55:07,670 --> 00:55:04,960
this show before

1592
00:55:08,870 --> 00:55:07,680
um and it's very interesting so we're

1593
00:55:11,109 --> 00:55:08,880
gonna give it a go

1594
00:55:12,150 --> 00:55:11,119
bill i hope you're right on top of this

1595
00:55:14,870 --> 00:55:12,160
and uh

1596
00:55:15,670 --> 00:55:14,880
we have a five minute break and we have

1597
00:55:18,870 --> 00:55:15,680
a clip here

1598
00:55:22,150 --> 00:55:18,880
from the view of uh of uh

1599
00:55:23,750 --> 00:55:22,160
tyson um neil degrasse tyson

1600
00:55:25,829 --> 00:55:23,760
and i think you're gonna find it pretty

1601
00:55:27,510 --> 00:55:25,839
interesting and please uh wait for the

1602
00:55:28,150 --> 00:55:27,520
very last part make sure you listen to

1603
00:55:29,589 --> 00:55:28,160
that

1604
00:55:32,309 --> 00:55:29,599
so we're gonna go into the break right

1605
00:55:33,750 --> 00:55:32,319
now hang in there over at kgr radio

1606
00:55:39,109 --> 00:55:33,760
we'll be right back right after these

1607
00:55:42,710 --> 00:55:42,309
anticipated pentagon investigation found

1608
00:55:44,630 --> 00:55:42,720
no

1609
00:55:45,750 --> 00:55:44,640
evidence these ufos were alien

1610
00:55:47,349 --> 00:55:45,760
spacecraft

1611
00:55:49,270 --> 00:55:47,359
but they're not ruling out the

1612
00:55:51,670 --> 00:55:49,280
possibility either

1613
00:55:54,069 --> 00:55:51,680
so you have a whole chapter of your book

1614
00:55:55,349 --> 00:55:54,079
called are we alone in the universe so

1615
00:55:57,390 --> 00:55:55,359
i'm going to ask you

1616
00:56:00,230 --> 00:55:57,400
do you think these ufos are

1617
00:56:02,789 --> 00:56:00,240
extraterrestrial in nature

1618
00:56:05,190 --> 00:56:02,799
yeah so first of all um that book is a

1619
00:56:08,470 --> 00:56:05,200
collection of questions we have all had

1620
00:56:10,870 --> 00:56:08,480
about our place in the universe and top

1621
00:56:11,510 --> 00:56:10,880
two or three questions i'm ever asked

1622
00:56:14,950 --> 00:56:11,520
are

1623
00:56:17,430 --> 00:56:14,960
right at the center

1624
00:56:17,990 --> 00:56:17,440
of people's core of curiosity that's

1625
00:56:21,510 --> 00:56:18,000
first

1626
00:56:24,549 --> 00:56:21,520
second um the

1627
00:56:27,349 --> 00:56:24,559
the universe brims with mysteries and

1628
00:56:28,829 --> 00:56:27,359
we so want many of those mysteries to be

1629
00:56:31,109 --> 00:56:28,839
some

1630
00:56:33,190 --> 00:56:31,119
favored uh answer

1631
00:56:34,950 --> 00:56:33,200
that we might carry you see a light in

1632
00:56:38,309 --> 00:56:34,960
the sky you don't understand

1633
00:56:41,190 --> 00:56:38,319
gee i want that to be aliens visiting us

1634
00:56:41,910 --> 00:56:41,200
and so in science however you want you

1635
00:56:44,789 --> 00:56:41,920
look at

1636
00:56:45,349 --> 00:56:44,799
you you rank possibilities by likelihood

1637
00:56:47,670 --> 00:56:45,359
okay

1638
00:56:49,750 --> 00:56:47,680
these navy videos you have to ask if

1639
00:56:53,109 --> 00:56:49,760
they are aliens visiting

1640
00:56:55,030 --> 00:56:53,119
why are they only visiting

1641
00:56:56,390 --> 00:56:55,040
navy pilots how about the rest of

1642
00:56:59,910 --> 00:56:56,400
earth's surface

1643
00:57:02,309 --> 00:56:59,920
there are three billion smartphones

1644
00:57:03,589 --> 00:57:02,319
on this planet each one is a high

1645
00:57:07,349 --> 00:57:03,599
resolution color

1646
00:57:10,150 --> 00:57:07,359
camera and video recorder so

1647
00:57:11,349 --> 00:57:10,160
basically aliens invasions have been

1648
00:57:13,510 --> 00:57:11,359
crowdsourced

1649
00:57:16,309 --> 00:57:13,520
to the population of the planet if

1650
00:57:18,150 --> 00:57:16,319
anybody's any alien is landing anywhere

1651
00:57:19,750 --> 00:57:18,160
it's gonna look what else we have

1652
00:57:20,870 --> 00:57:19,760
already streamed that used to be rare

1653
00:57:23,109 --> 00:57:20,880
but we knew was happening

1654
00:57:25,430 --> 00:57:23,119
all right like police violence and all

1655
00:57:26,069 --> 00:57:25,440
of this if aliens landed you know we

1656
00:57:28,710 --> 00:57:26,079
would have it

1657
00:57:29,910 --> 00:57:28,720
it would be viral overnight but instead

1658
00:57:30,780 --> 00:57:29,920
they're cat videos

1659
00:57:34,390 --> 00:57:30,790
that go viral

1660
00:57:37,030 --> 00:57:34,400
[Laughter]

1661
00:57:38,549 --> 00:57:37,040
well neil knew nasa chief bill nelson

1662
00:57:40,870 --> 00:57:38,559
has said that they're launching their

1663
00:57:42,549 --> 00:57:40,880
own investigation into the ufos as well

1664
00:57:44,150 --> 00:57:42,559
and acknowledges they don't know what

1665
00:57:46,069 --> 00:57:44,160
they are either one theory is that the

1666
00:57:46,950 --> 00:57:46,079
ufos could be a foreign military

1667
00:57:48,390 --> 00:57:46,960
aircraft

1668
00:57:50,390 --> 00:57:48,400
according to the new york times china

1669
00:57:52,069 --> 00:57:50,400
and russia have both invested heavily in

1670
00:57:54,390 --> 00:57:52,079
supersonic technology

1671
00:57:56,630 --> 00:57:54,400
from what you've seen how likely is that

1672
00:58:00,150 --> 00:57:56,640
and does that theory trouble you

1673
00:58:00,789 --> 00:58:00,160
yeah so first of all the of the 600 700

1674
00:58:03,270 --> 00:58:00,799
billion

1675
00:58:04,549 --> 00:58:03,280
budget of the pentagon i would want some

1676
00:58:07,349 --> 00:58:04,559
fraction of that

1677
00:58:09,750 --> 00:58:07,359
to to check out the sky and and make

1678
00:58:12,150 --> 00:58:09,760
sure that there aren't threats

1679
00:58:13,910 --> 00:58:12,160
so i'm i'm happy to have learned that

1680
00:58:17,430 --> 00:58:13,920
there are government programs

1681
00:58:19,829 --> 00:58:17,440
investigating these no problem there um

1682
00:58:20,630 --> 00:58:19,839
by the way they could be foreign foreign

1683
00:58:22,950 --> 00:58:20,640
craft that

1684
00:58:24,069 --> 00:58:22,960
have achieved some level of aerodynamic

1685
00:58:26,069 --> 00:58:24,079
sophistication that

1686
00:58:27,430 --> 00:58:26,079
we have not i'm glad they're looking

1687
00:58:29,589 --> 00:58:27,440
into that totally

1688
00:58:31,750 --> 00:58:29,599
i have no problem with that now some of

1689
00:58:34,789 --> 00:58:31,760
it i think is not explained simply by

1690
00:58:36,390 --> 00:58:34,799
hypersonic technology this there's

1691
00:58:37,510 --> 00:58:36,400
behavior of these docs that's like i

1692
00:58:39,670 --> 00:58:37,520
don't know what that is

1693
00:58:42,230 --> 00:58:39,680
and you know my first thought is it's a

1694
00:58:45,270 --> 00:58:42,240
it's some kind of bug or malfunction

1695
00:58:46,390 --> 00:58:45,280
of the electronics okay that's that

1696
00:58:48,150 --> 00:58:46,400
would be my first thought

1697
00:58:50,950 --> 00:58:48,160
not we're being observed by intelligent

1698
00:58:52,950 --> 00:58:50,960
aliens from another planet

1699
00:58:54,710 --> 00:58:52,960
but that's me now there seems to be

1700
00:58:56,309 --> 00:58:54,720
growing bipartisan support for more

1701
00:58:58,470 --> 00:58:56,319
government funding for research

1702
00:59:00,309 --> 00:58:58,480
into ufos but as republican senator

1703
00:59:02,870 --> 00:59:00,319
marco rubio has pointed out

1704
00:59:04,950 --> 00:59:02,880
a stigma still exists around the issue

1705
00:59:06,069 --> 00:59:04,960
which can prompt giggles and eye rolls

1706
00:59:07,910 --> 00:59:06,079
on capitol hill

1707
00:59:09,589 --> 00:59:07,920
how do we convince lawmakers to think

1708
00:59:13,109 --> 00:59:09,599
less in terms of e.t

1709
00:59:16,069 --> 00:59:13,119
and more like contact or interstellar

1710
00:59:16,789 --> 00:59:16,079
yeah i think the way to destigmatize it

1711
00:59:19,510 --> 00:59:16,799
is

1712
00:59:21,030 --> 00:59:19,520
there are these things showing up in

1713
00:59:22,789 --> 00:59:21,040
military radar

1714
00:59:24,309 --> 00:59:22,799
and we don't know what they are anyone

1715
00:59:26,870 --> 00:59:24,319
who is curious say

1716
00:59:28,390 --> 00:59:26,880
let's go try to figure it out if you

1717
00:59:30,309 --> 00:59:28,400
lead with the idea

1718
00:59:31,589 --> 00:59:30,319
that we're being visited by aliens

1719
00:59:33,030 --> 00:59:31,599
that's

1720
00:59:34,870 --> 00:59:33,040
some people have that as their first

1721
00:59:35,910 --> 00:59:34,880
explanation for what they don't

1722
00:59:38,069 --> 00:59:35,920
understand

1723
00:59:39,670 --> 00:59:38,079
but for a skeptical scientist that would

1724
00:59:42,390 --> 00:59:39,680
probably be the last

1725
00:59:44,150 --> 00:59:42,400
explanation as carl sagan famously said

1726
00:59:46,950 --> 00:59:44,160
extraordinary claims

1727
00:59:48,630 --> 00:59:46,960
require extraordinary evidence not

1728
00:59:50,549 --> 00:59:48,640
monochromatic fuzzy

1729
00:59:56,870 --> 00:59:50,559
navy video of something that looks like

1730
01:00:01,190 --> 00:59:58,150
one of the great challenges in this

1731
01:00:04,230 --> 01:00:01,200
world is knowing enough about a subject

1732
01:00:07,910 --> 01:00:04,240
to think you're right but

1733
01:00:11,109 --> 01:00:07,920
not enough about the subject to know

1734
01:00:14,870 --> 01:00:14,549
all right welcome back um thank you bill

1735
01:00:19,030 --> 01:00:14,880
for

1736
01:00:21,349 --> 01:00:19,040
let's bring in there he is

1737
01:00:23,430 --> 01:00:21,359
brought him over we're back so i hope

1738
01:00:26,470 --> 01:00:23,440
you get a chance to listen to that

1739
01:00:28,470 --> 01:00:26,480
and kind of the irony of how

1740
01:00:30,549 --> 01:00:28,480
that little clip at the very end what do

1741
01:00:32,549 --> 01:00:30,559
you think about that

1742
01:00:34,549 --> 01:00:32,559
yeah i've seen neil degrasse tyson i've

1743
01:00:36,630 --> 01:00:34,559
watched a few of his

1744
01:00:39,670 --> 01:00:36,640
a few of his uh comments i guess on this

1745
01:00:41,030 --> 01:00:39,680
stuff i i don't know i mean i

1746
01:00:43,430 --> 01:00:41,040
i guess i didn't have any big

1747
01:00:45,990 --> 01:00:43,440
expectations for him to say

1748
01:00:47,349 --> 01:00:46,000
anything one way or the other you know

1749
01:00:51,270 --> 01:00:47,359
it is surprising he's

1750
01:00:53,589 --> 01:00:51,280
so that throws out that that example you

1751
01:00:55,109 --> 01:00:53,599
know this is just a radar he obviously

1752
01:00:57,430 --> 01:00:55,119
doesn't know

1753
01:00:59,190 --> 01:00:57,440
what he's talking about right i should

1754
01:00:59,750 --> 01:00:59,200
make a video you know like the mick west

1755
01:01:01,589 --> 01:00:59,760
one like

1756
01:01:03,349 --> 01:01:01,599
wrong you know neil degrasse tyson i'm

1757
01:01:06,309 --> 01:01:03,359
coming after you

1758
01:01:07,829 --> 01:01:06,319
uh exactly yeah i mean i agree he

1759
01:01:11,270 --> 01:01:07,839
doesn't seem to know

1760
01:01:12,630 --> 01:01:11,280
uh what he's talking about because he

1761
01:01:14,230 --> 01:01:12,640
should know it's not just one

1762
01:01:15,829 --> 01:01:14,240
sensor you know for that like i just

1763
01:01:18,549 --> 01:01:15,839
said so we had

1764
01:01:19,670 --> 01:01:18,559
for chad underwood you know you had the

1765
01:01:21,750 --> 01:01:19,680
the ship radar

1766
01:01:22,950 --> 01:01:21,760
you had the f-18s radar and then you

1767
01:01:25,589 --> 01:01:22,960
have the targeting pod

1768
01:01:28,549 --> 01:01:25,599
um so yeah i think he's he kind of comes

1769
01:01:31,510 --> 01:01:28,559
off to me as your standard

1770
01:01:33,109 --> 01:01:31,520
i would say civilian okay doesn't know

1771
01:01:34,549 --> 01:01:33,119
really anything about the military you

1772
01:01:35,670 --> 01:01:34,559
know and again i didn't know anything

1773
01:01:39,349 --> 01:01:35,680
about the military really

1774
01:01:42,470 --> 01:01:39,359
before i joined um but yeah

1775
01:01:44,150 --> 01:01:42,480
it's easy to assume that it's easy to

1776
01:01:44,950 --> 01:01:44,160
come up with a general stereotype of

1777
01:01:48,150 --> 01:01:44,960
what

1778
01:01:50,870 --> 01:01:48,160
military are

1779
01:01:51,990 --> 01:01:50,880
and then kind of what i enjoyed actually

1780
01:01:54,309 --> 01:01:52,000
being in the military and

1781
01:01:55,029 --> 01:01:54,319
living around the world was kind of what

1782
01:01:57,990 --> 01:01:55,039
i did was

1783
01:01:58,549 --> 01:01:58,000
was introduce america to other cultures

1784
01:02:01,750 --> 01:01:58,559
hopefully

1785
01:02:03,670 --> 01:02:01,760
for the better um is that

1786
01:02:06,230 --> 01:02:03,680
you change the stereotypes you know so i

1787
01:02:08,069 --> 01:02:06,240
think it's just i had no expectations he

1788
01:02:11,109 --> 01:02:08,079
has the same stereotype

1789
01:02:14,470 --> 01:02:11,119
i would expect from any other you know

1790
01:02:16,230 --> 01:02:14,480
man of science like i guess

1791
01:02:18,390 --> 01:02:16,240
but that is i think there is there is a

1792
01:02:19,589 --> 01:02:18,400
huge blind spot there is a huge blind

1793
01:02:22,309 --> 01:02:19,599
spot

1794
01:02:24,309 --> 01:02:22,319
uh especially in the astronomical level

1795
01:02:25,990 --> 01:02:24,319
you know when you when you go to the

1796
01:02:29,029 --> 01:02:26,000
using large telescopes when we're

1797
01:02:30,950 --> 01:02:29,039
looking out to to great distances

1798
01:02:32,230 --> 01:02:30,960
and it's it's just very new you know i

1799
01:02:34,630 --> 01:02:32,240
just want everybody to remember that you

1800
01:02:37,029 --> 01:02:34,640
know when did we even like start

1801
01:02:38,069 --> 01:02:37,039
when did we realize there was um you

1802
01:02:40,069 --> 01:02:38,079
know the kuiper belt

1803
01:02:41,670 --> 01:02:40,079
you know or i'm just throwing out these

1804
01:02:44,150 --> 01:02:41,680
random things but it's it's

1805
01:02:45,270 --> 01:02:44,160
it's come very soon you know and and i

1806
01:02:48,710 --> 01:02:45,280
believe we've kind of hit

1807
01:02:51,510 --> 01:02:48,720
a a stopping point in our physics

1808
01:02:52,390 --> 01:02:51,520
uh i've mentioned it um a little bit

1809
01:02:54,069 --> 01:02:52,400
before

1810
01:02:56,069 --> 01:02:54,079
but basically like on the video i

1811
01:02:58,950 --> 01:02:56,079
mentioned today was was dark energy

1812
01:03:01,190 --> 01:02:58,960
right if you look at at basically

1813
01:03:04,230 --> 01:03:01,200
current current physics now

1814
01:03:07,109 --> 01:03:04,240
and the whole time i grew up is

1815
01:03:09,190 --> 01:03:07,119
you know the universe is expanding uh

1816
01:03:11,270 --> 01:03:09,200
it's expanding at a faster rate this was

1817
01:03:14,390 --> 01:03:11,280
very surprising for everybody

1818
01:03:16,870 --> 01:03:14,400
uh and and basically galaxies move

1819
01:03:18,630 --> 01:03:16,880
uh the way they're moving there should

1820
01:03:20,789 --> 01:03:18,640
be like

1821
01:03:22,390 --> 01:03:20,799
at least twice the mass that there is in

1822
01:03:24,230 --> 01:03:22,400
these galaxies right

1823
01:03:25,910 --> 01:03:24,240
if galaxies are the way we understand

1824
01:03:27,349 --> 01:03:25,920
them to be gravity's the way we

1825
01:03:29,510 --> 01:03:27,359
understand

1826
01:03:31,109 --> 01:03:29,520
to be then these galaxies should

1827
01:03:32,630 --> 01:03:31,119
actually be spinning apart right all

1828
01:03:33,910 --> 01:03:32,640
this all these stars on the outside of

1829
01:03:35,829 --> 01:03:33,920
these galaxies should just be

1830
01:03:37,109 --> 01:03:35,839
expanding out because they're spinning

1831
01:03:39,910 --> 01:03:37,119
faster

1832
01:03:40,870 --> 01:03:39,920
than all of our math um takes into

1833
01:03:43,190 --> 01:03:40,880
account

1834
01:03:44,069 --> 01:03:43,200
and so what they do is they they just

1835
01:03:47,349 --> 01:03:44,079
add in this

1836
01:03:49,670 --> 01:03:47,359
other little like fudge factor right

1837
01:03:50,710 --> 01:03:49,680
they add in a fudge factor and they call

1838
01:03:53,190 --> 01:03:50,720
it dark energy

1839
01:03:54,789 --> 01:03:53,200
right yeah to make all their math work

1840
01:03:56,390 --> 01:03:54,799
to make their math work for how the

1841
01:04:00,309 --> 01:03:56,400
universe expands to

1842
01:04:03,670 --> 01:04:00,319
to to make all of these these very long

1843
01:04:05,190 --> 01:04:03,680
uh you know equations which have like 50

1844
01:04:06,230 --> 01:04:05,200
letters in them very few people in the

1845
01:04:08,390 --> 01:04:06,240
world i think even

1846
01:04:10,390 --> 01:04:08,400
really understand them the actual

1847
01:04:12,710 --> 01:04:10,400
equations and to make these equations

1848
01:04:13,589 --> 01:04:12,720
work they add in this fudge factor of

1849
01:04:17,109 --> 01:04:13,599
dark energy

1850
01:04:19,829 --> 01:04:17,119
and dark matter and the number is

1851
01:04:21,029 --> 01:04:19,839
ridiculous you know what is it 85 every

1852
01:04:21,430 --> 01:04:21,039
time it's like a different number you

1853
01:04:23,750 --> 01:04:21,440
know but

1854
01:04:26,549 --> 01:04:23,760
they're basically like 85 wrong i've

1855
01:04:28,870 --> 01:04:26,559
heard that recently

1856
01:04:30,470 --> 01:04:28,880
i heard 95 i went to look on wikipedia

1857
01:04:31,829 --> 01:04:30,480
like what is dark what do they think

1858
01:04:32,549 --> 01:04:31,839
actually dark matter makes up of the

1859
01:04:36,150 --> 01:04:32,559
universe

1860
01:04:41,029 --> 01:04:36,160
dark

1861
01:04:43,829 --> 01:04:41,039
matter

1862
01:04:45,430 --> 01:04:43,839
uh so i think that leaves like i can't

1863
01:04:46,150 --> 01:04:45,440
do math in public it's like eight

1864
01:04:48,230 --> 01:04:46,160
percent

1865
01:04:50,870 --> 01:04:48,240
of the universe is like actual real

1866
01:04:53,829 --> 01:04:50,880
matter that we understand and can uh

1867
01:04:55,589 --> 01:04:53,839
can interact with um which just is

1868
01:04:57,349 --> 01:04:55,599
preposterous to me you know preposterous

1869
01:04:58,950 --> 01:04:57,359
they you know imagine

1870
01:05:00,630 --> 01:04:58,960
you go to take a test you know and

1871
01:05:01,750 --> 01:05:00,640
they're like you got an eight you know

1872
01:05:03,670 --> 01:05:01,760
like

1873
01:05:05,190 --> 01:05:03,680
that's not going to pass you know a

1874
01:05:08,789 --> 01:05:05,200
physicist you're 90

1875
01:05:10,950 --> 01:05:08,799
you're 92 wrong you know um and so i

1876
01:05:14,150 --> 01:05:10,960
think there is a huge

1877
01:05:16,549 --> 01:05:14,160
gaping hole in in the whole realm of

1878
01:05:17,829 --> 01:05:16,559
our understanding of especially the

1879
01:05:19,510 --> 01:05:17,839
outer universe you know as you get

1880
01:05:19,910 --> 01:05:19,520
further away from what we can physically

1881
01:05:22,549 --> 01:05:19,920
touch

1882
01:05:23,190 --> 01:05:22,559
and what we can physically analyze uh it

1883
01:05:25,670 --> 01:05:23,200
just gets

1884
01:05:27,270 --> 01:05:25,680
it gets more and more difficult um and i

1885
01:05:28,870 --> 01:05:27,280
think we're at a definite point

1886
01:05:30,470 --> 01:05:28,880
um so i was reading something before

1887
01:05:32,630 --> 01:05:30,480
where um

1888
01:05:34,069 --> 01:05:32,640
if you look back at you know history i

1889
01:05:36,230 --> 01:05:34,079
guess of science

1890
01:05:37,750 --> 01:05:36,240
uh aristotle you know it's kind of like

1891
01:05:39,589 --> 01:05:37,760
the big first thinker

1892
01:05:41,109 --> 01:05:39,599
um and he came up with this very

1893
01:05:43,029 --> 01:05:41,119
effective model of how

1894
01:05:44,549 --> 01:05:43,039
the world works you know it was

1895
01:05:46,309 --> 01:05:44,559
basically based on everything they

1896
01:05:49,109 --> 01:05:46,319
understood at that time you know in

1897
01:05:51,109 --> 01:05:49,119
in our understanding of the universe you

1898
01:05:53,589 --> 01:05:51,119
know it was like you know there's fire

1899
01:05:54,150 --> 01:05:53,599
you know it's hot so it goes up uh you

1900
01:05:56,549 --> 01:05:54,160
know there's

1901
01:05:58,150 --> 01:05:56,559
liquids uh there's earth and then

1902
01:05:58,630 --> 01:05:58,160
there's animate matter you know i'm not

1903
01:06:20,710 --> 01:05:58,640
a

1904
01:06:22,950 --> 01:06:20,720
fire yes it will

1905
01:06:24,549 --> 01:06:22,960
it will get hot right if something's

1906
01:06:27,670 --> 01:06:24,559
hotter than something else it will

1907
01:06:30,630 --> 01:06:27,680
it will rise um so his his

1908
01:06:31,029 --> 01:06:30,640
model uh for the universe was correct

1909
01:06:34,150 --> 01:06:31,039
for the

1910
01:06:36,390 --> 01:06:34,160
that we had

1911
01:06:37,990 --> 01:06:36,400
uh but it was so correct that it lasted

1912
01:06:39,990 --> 01:06:38,000
for so long that they didn't

1913
01:06:41,510 --> 01:06:40,000
bother like looking into anything else

1914
01:06:43,829 --> 01:06:41,520
you know or they didn't have the need

1915
01:06:44,710 --> 01:06:43,839
you know until they came out with like

1916
01:06:47,670 --> 01:06:44,720
yeah

1917
01:06:48,710 --> 01:06:47,680
the newtonian same thing newton's you

1918
01:06:50,230 --> 01:06:48,720
know newton's laws

1919
01:06:52,549 --> 01:06:50,240
a lot of that's still used today but a

1920
01:06:55,990 --> 01:06:52,559
lot of it was inaccurate and used for

1921
01:06:57,510 --> 01:06:56,000
centuries you know yeah fascinating

1922
01:06:59,430 --> 01:06:57,520
it's not even that it's it's not

1923
01:06:59,990 --> 01:06:59,440
necessarily inaccurate right because if

1924
01:07:02,549 --> 01:07:00,000
you look

1925
01:07:03,349 --> 01:07:02,559
at newtonian so you go aristotle

1926
01:07:05,750 --> 01:07:03,359
essentially

1927
01:07:06,870 --> 01:07:05,760
and then you go into let's say newtonian

1928
01:07:11,430 --> 01:07:06,880
physics

1929
01:07:13,510 --> 01:07:11,440
basically the apple falls

1930
01:07:15,349 --> 01:07:13,520
uh that works very well for like orbital

1931
01:07:16,870 --> 01:07:15,359
mechanics you know so if you're talking

1932
01:07:18,950 --> 01:07:16,880
about making a spacecraft

1933
01:07:20,150 --> 01:07:18,960
which hopefully we can do i can do one

1934
01:07:22,789 --> 01:07:20,160
day is

1935
01:07:23,750 --> 01:07:22,799
it's just newtonian physics you know so

1936
01:07:25,750 --> 01:07:23,760
to get to the moon

1937
01:07:26,870 --> 01:07:25,760
we only needed newtonian physics that's

1938
01:07:28,789 --> 01:07:26,880
why everybody's like well how did you

1939
01:07:30,549 --> 01:07:28,799
get to the moon in 69 well

1940
01:07:32,470 --> 01:07:30,559
they had a lot of chalkboards you know

1941
01:07:34,150 --> 01:07:32,480
and they were really good at

1942
01:07:35,910 --> 01:07:34,160
newtonian math you know they were really

1943
01:07:39,349 --> 01:07:35,920
good at algebra uh

1944
01:07:40,829 --> 01:07:39,359
and all that stuff um but newtonian

1945
01:07:44,230 --> 01:07:40,839
physics will not get you

1946
01:07:45,750 --> 01:07:44,240
gps accuracy so what i talked about you

1947
01:07:47,270 --> 01:07:45,760
know with this targeting pod right when

1948
01:07:49,430 --> 01:07:47,280
you're talking about a targeting pod and

1949
01:07:52,069 --> 01:07:49,440
i get that level of accuracy when i'm

1950
01:07:54,390 --> 01:07:52,079
that level of pointing accuracy

1951
01:07:55,990 --> 01:07:54,400
you need einstein physics so you need

1952
01:07:59,990 --> 01:07:56,000
like electromagnetic

1953
01:08:03,029 --> 01:08:00,000
you need uh very very accurate inss

1954
01:08:04,870 --> 01:08:03,039
right that use laser laser gyros um

1955
01:08:07,270 --> 01:08:04,880
so you're not you know i can't drop a

1956
01:08:09,349 --> 01:08:07,280
bomb on your feet as it you know we said

1957
01:08:10,630 --> 01:08:09,359
uh from miles away with newtonian

1958
01:08:13,430 --> 01:08:10,640
physics you know

1959
01:08:13,750 --> 01:08:13,440
that's what we used in world war ii uh

1960
01:08:16,550 --> 01:08:13,760
and

1961
01:08:17,990 --> 01:08:16,560
this stuff about like mill sizing you

1962
01:08:18,390 --> 01:08:18,000
know what i'm like how do we mill size

1963
01:08:20,550 --> 01:08:18,400
um

1964
01:08:21,910 --> 01:08:20,560
that's like you know the basic bombing

1965
01:08:25,030 --> 01:08:21,920
is old school

1966
01:08:27,269 --> 01:08:25,040
uh military you know angles and gravity

1967
01:08:28,390 --> 01:08:27,279
you know gravity bombing gravity bombing

1968
01:08:31,189 --> 01:08:28,400
essentially

1969
01:08:32,550 --> 01:08:31,199
um and that's that's newtonian physics

1970
01:08:35,669 --> 01:08:32,560
so i just think we've hit

1971
01:08:37,510 --> 01:08:35,679
a stopping point um to where

1972
01:08:39,510 --> 01:08:37,520
we're waiting for the next einstein

1973
01:08:41,510 --> 01:08:39,520
essentially we're waiting for that next

1974
01:08:43,189 --> 01:08:41,520
uh we're waiting for the next

1975
01:08:44,870 --> 01:08:43,199
breakthrough

1976
01:08:47,110 --> 01:08:44,880
but as of now they're just kind of

1977
01:08:49,189 --> 01:08:47,120
talking bs essentially is

1978
01:08:50,550 --> 01:08:49,199
what i consider it you know they're

1979
01:08:52,630 --> 01:08:50,560
their numbers are way off

1980
01:08:54,070 --> 01:08:52,640
you know they have i honestly believe we

1981
01:08:55,829 --> 01:08:54,080
have no clue what we're looking at when

1982
01:08:56,950 --> 01:08:55,839
we look out into the universe and i

1983
01:08:59,910 --> 01:08:56,960
really uh

1984
01:09:00,870 --> 01:08:59,920
i do think that yeah i i think about

1985
01:09:03,669 --> 01:09:00,880
that type of things

1986
01:09:05,669 --> 01:09:03,679
uh those type of things quite a bit and

1987
01:09:09,349 --> 01:09:05,679
also that

1988
01:09:10,789 --> 01:09:09,359
if um we were to know what all this you

1989
01:09:13,349 --> 01:09:10,799
know this matter of

1990
01:09:15,269 --> 01:09:13,359
dark matter whatever if we were to

1991
01:09:16,709 --> 01:09:15,279
figure it out someday maybe we will but

1992
01:09:18,789 --> 01:09:16,719
the fact is that there's

1993
01:09:20,950 --> 01:09:18,799
research going into it tons of money

1994
01:09:23,430 --> 01:09:20,960
going into the research

1995
01:09:25,189 --> 01:09:23,440
and yet um they think it's impossible

1996
01:09:27,430 --> 01:09:25,199
that we may be visited

1997
01:09:28,630 --> 01:09:27,440
um from extraterrestrials and that it's

1998
01:09:32,070 --> 01:09:28,640
a silly thing too

1999
01:09:35,110 --> 01:09:32,080
because they they it can't be done and

2000
01:09:36,950 --> 01:09:35,120
so when i brought up that i had uh seth

2001
01:09:38,309 --> 01:09:36,960
shawstak on a couple of times here from

2002
01:09:40,789 --> 01:09:38,319
the seti um

2003
01:09:41,749 --> 01:09:40,799
institute and i asked him the question i

2004
01:09:45,269 --> 01:09:41,759
said so

2005
01:09:46,950 --> 01:09:45,279
you think ufos are kind of ridiculous

2006
01:09:49,910 --> 01:09:46,960
or whatever they are you know the hubcap

2007
01:09:52,870 --> 01:09:49,920
in the sky i can't remember what he said

2008
01:09:54,229 --> 01:09:52,880
but you but you think there's something

2009
01:09:54,790 --> 01:09:54,239
to dark matter and you think there's

2010
01:09:57,189 --> 01:09:54,800
something

2011
01:09:58,550 --> 01:09:57,199
to dark energy when you can't reach out

2012
01:10:00,310 --> 01:09:58,560
and touch it you know you say you need

2013
01:10:03,270 --> 01:10:00,320
to reach out and touch a ufo

2014
01:10:04,630 --> 01:10:03,280
you can't reach out and touch that no so

2015
01:10:05,350 --> 01:10:04,640
it's kind of an irony you can't even

2016
01:10:10,229 --> 01:10:05,360
detect it

2017
01:10:11,750 --> 01:10:10,239
they're literally saying there is this

2018
01:10:15,270 --> 01:10:11,760
there is this thing

2019
01:10:16,229 --> 01:10:15,280
that we can't interact with because it's

2020
01:10:18,550 --> 01:10:16,239
not real matter

2021
01:10:19,910 --> 01:10:18,560
that's that's what they're saying um

2022
01:10:21,750 --> 01:10:19,920
it's not even

2023
01:10:24,709 --> 01:10:21,760
yeah it's it's more like we we will

2024
01:10:26,070 --> 01:10:24,719
never be able to detect it ultimately

2025
01:10:27,830 --> 01:10:26,080
but you bring up a great point you're

2026
01:10:29,590 --> 01:10:27,840
right i mean look at all the evidence

2027
01:10:31,830 --> 01:10:29,600
you know if

2028
01:10:32,709 --> 01:10:31,840
and that's what the fravor really did is

2029
01:10:34,229 --> 01:10:32,719
i was

2030
01:10:35,910 --> 01:10:34,239
and it's still ongoing like i don't

2031
01:10:39,030 --> 01:10:35,920
fully believe that you know i said this

2032
01:10:39,830 --> 01:10:39,040
um i think it's a process for people to

2033
01:10:41,750 --> 01:10:39,840
kind of

2034
01:10:43,350 --> 01:10:41,760
go into this changing of your world view

2035
01:10:45,669 --> 01:10:43,360
um

2036
01:10:46,390 --> 01:10:45,679
but basically there is a lens you know

2037
01:10:48,630 --> 01:10:46,400
it

2038
01:10:50,870 --> 01:10:48,640
anyone who says they're not biased is is

2039
01:10:51,270 --> 01:10:50,880
is just literally wrong like physically

2040
01:10:53,430 --> 01:10:51,280
wrong

2041
01:10:54,950 --> 01:10:53,440
you know they're our brains will all put

2042
01:10:56,390 --> 01:10:54,960
a filter in front of us you know our

2043
01:10:57,510 --> 01:10:56,400
brains are processing all of our

2044
01:11:00,870 --> 01:10:57,520
information

2045
01:11:03,110 --> 01:11:00,880
um and as pilots again you become

2046
01:11:05,030 --> 01:11:03,120
very attuned to this uh of what your

2047
01:11:06,310 --> 01:11:05,040
brain is being brought you know what

2048
01:11:08,070 --> 01:11:06,320
information you're receiving what

2049
01:11:11,270 --> 01:11:08,080
information you're processing

2050
01:11:13,030 --> 01:11:11,280
and when it's wrong you know because

2051
01:11:14,950 --> 01:11:13,040
ultimately you could die or someone else

2052
01:11:15,910 --> 01:11:14,960
you could die so you become very attuned

2053
01:11:18,310 --> 01:11:15,920
to like uh

2054
01:11:19,270 --> 01:11:18,320
information that we're processing and

2055
01:11:22,790 --> 01:11:19,280
what you realize

2056
01:11:25,189 --> 01:11:22,800
i mean we're all biased at some point

2057
01:11:26,630 --> 01:11:25,199
uh but when fraver when i was able to i

2058
01:11:29,110 --> 01:11:26,640
guess

2059
01:11:30,310 --> 01:11:29,120
listen to his words and and imagine i

2060
01:11:33,350 --> 01:11:30,320
was there

2061
01:11:36,390 --> 01:11:33,360
uh it it made it possible

2062
01:11:38,229 --> 01:11:36,400
you know it made it possible in my brain

2063
01:11:39,590 --> 01:11:38,239
and with that now it's almost like a

2064
01:11:41,510 --> 01:11:39,600
filter is removed

2065
01:11:43,510 --> 01:11:41,520
and now when i go back and i look at old

2066
01:11:45,430 --> 01:11:43,520
cases you know i was looking at um

2067
01:11:47,510 --> 01:11:45,440
glenn davis have you seen that interview

2068
01:11:51,030 --> 01:11:47,520
it's uh it's in the national archives

2069
01:11:53,669 --> 01:11:51,040
uh he was a coroner in roswell

2070
01:11:54,229 --> 01:11:53,679
oh yes he was a contractor yeah it gives

2071
01:11:57,270 --> 01:11:54,239
a very

2072
01:12:01,030 --> 01:11:57,280
compelling um interview you know

2073
01:12:03,510 --> 01:12:01,040
uh why would this man lie about

2074
01:12:05,510 --> 01:12:03,520
you know these seeing these aliens with

2075
01:12:07,590 --> 01:12:05,520
such specific detail

2076
01:12:10,470 --> 01:12:07,600
and and and again if you know we put

2077
01:12:11,990 --> 01:12:10,480
people to death for witness testimony

2078
01:12:13,750 --> 01:12:12,000
but this is not good enough for these

2079
01:12:15,910 --> 01:12:13,760
scientists you know because

2080
01:12:17,910 --> 01:12:15,920
and yet dark energy you know they will

2081
01:12:20,149 --> 01:12:17,920
know here's another one i'm sure i'm

2082
01:12:23,990 --> 01:12:20,159
going to get heat for this one but

2083
01:12:26,630 --> 01:12:24,000
so they they literally claim to know

2084
01:12:27,830 --> 01:12:26,640
claim to know when the beginning of the

2085
01:12:30,229 --> 01:12:27,840
universe is

2086
01:12:30,950 --> 01:12:30,239
i mean just think about this right i

2087
01:12:32,470 --> 01:12:30,960
mean we can

2088
01:12:34,390 --> 01:12:32,480
half the people in america don't even

2089
01:12:35,830 --> 01:12:34,400
believe in evolution you know

2090
01:12:37,990 --> 01:12:35,840
or whatever the numbers it was

2091
01:12:39,669 --> 01:12:38,000
exceptionally high uh when i've looked

2092
01:12:41,990 --> 01:12:39,679
in the past but

2093
01:12:43,350 --> 01:12:42,000
and and we're here on the planet uh and

2094
01:12:45,189 --> 01:12:43,360
we can find evidence

2095
01:12:46,390 --> 01:12:45,199
you know um same thing we don't know

2096
01:12:48,229 --> 01:12:46,400
what these uaps are

2097
01:12:50,550 --> 01:12:48,239
right it's been 70 years we still can't

2098
01:12:52,550 --> 01:12:50,560
figure out what these uaps are

2099
01:12:54,229 --> 01:12:52,560
and yet our scientists say that they

2100
01:12:56,070 --> 01:12:54,239
know within a few

2101
01:12:57,830 --> 01:12:56,080
whatever million years that we know when

2102
01:13:00,070 --> 01:12:57,840
the beginning of the universe is

2103
01:13:01,669 --> 01:13:00,080
you know and yeah i don't know it's hard

2104
01:13:04,070 --> 01:13:01,679
for me to take them seriously

2105
01:13:05,430 --> 01:13:04,080
actually after that well i've take uh

2106
01:13:07,430 --> 01:13:05,440
i've asked that to every single

2107
01:13:09,189 --> 01:13:07,440
astronomer that i've had

2108
01:13:10,709 --> 01:13:09,199
on this show which has been quite a

2109
01:13:12,870 --> 01:13:10,719
number over the years

2110
01:13:14,790 --> 01:13:12,880
i've asked them do you think it's

2111
01:13:15,990 --> 01:13:14,800
possible that the big bang theory could

2112
01:13:19,510 --> 01:13:16,000
be wrong

2113
01:13:21,750 --> 01:13:19,520
and so far every one of them has said

2114
01:13:22,950 --> 01:13:21,760
uh no all the evidence that we have

2115
01:13:25,510 --> 01:13:22,960
points to that

2116
01:13:26,870 --> 01:13:25,520
and so and then the next question i

2117
01:13:30,630 --> 01:13:26,880
always ask them after that

2118
01:13:33,750 --> 01:13:30,640
is uh what do you think uh was before

2119
01:13:37,030 --> 01:13:33,760
the big bang you know just

2120
01:13:38,390 --> 01:13:37,040
what was what was before that and a lot

2121
01:13:39,110 --> 01:13:38,400
of them i think two or three of them

2122
01:13:41,830 --> 01:13:39,120
have said they

2123
01:13:42,310 --> 01:13:41,840
they think that is the beginning of time

2124
01:13:46,390 --> 01:13:42,320
which

2125
01:13:48,070 --> 01:13:46,400
um is another mind-boggling

2126
01:13:49,830 --> 01:13:48,080
and i'm sure the real answer whatever

2127
01:13:51,510 --> 01:13:49,840
the real answer may be is going to be

2128
01:13:54,390 --> 01:13:51,520
mind-boggling

2129
01:13:56,310 --> 01:13:54,400
you know yeah the whole big bang it

2130
01:13:58,790 --> 01:13:56,320
sounds too much to me like the

2131
01:14:00,310 --> 01:13:58,800
the end of the map just falls into you

2132
01:14:02,390 --> 01:14:00,320
know there's a waterfall

2133
01:14:04,070 --> 01:14:02,400
and it goes into like you know dragons

2134
01:14:05,350 --> 01:14:04,080
at the bottom

2135
01:14:07,189 --> 01:14:05,360
that's just what i see you know when

2136
01:14:08,229 --> 01:14:07,199
humans looked at when we looked out and

2137
01:14:10,550 --> 01:14:08,239
we saw like

2138
01:14:12,630 --> 01:14:10,560
the end of the the ocean you know we

2139
01:14:14,470 --> 01:14:12,640
just imagine oh it must just drop off

2140
01:14:16,070 --> 01:14:14,480
yeah not that we're on a ball right not

2141
01:14:16,550 --> 01:14:16,080
that it's uh we're on a curved surface

2142
01:14:21,110 --> 01:14:16,560
which

2143
01:14:22,229 --> 01:14:21,120
actually think that that is the reality

2144
01:14:23,430 --> 01:14:22,239
if you could imagine

2145
01:14:25,430 --> 01:14:23,440
you know you really thought the earth

2146
01:14:27,350 --> 01:14:25,440
was flat and all of a sudden everyone's

2147
01:14:29,750 --> 01:14:27,360
telling you it's round

2148
01:14:31,990 --> 01:14:29,760
you know it took 150 it did take 150

2149
01:14:34,070 --> 01:14:32,000
years for us to kind of

2150
01:14:36,470 --> 01:14:34,080
to humanity i guess to internalize this

2151
01:14:37,270 --> 01:14:36,480
maybe it just takes 150 years for us to

2152
01:14:41,189 --> 01:14:37,280
like

2153
01:14:44,229 --> 01:14:41,199
internalize alien life um

2154
01:14:44,550 --> 01:14:44,239
yeah well i i think there a lot of a lot

2155
01:14:47,669 --> 01:14:44,560
of

2156
01:14:48,870 --> 01:14:47,679
astrophysicists that have spoken to um

2157
01:14:51,910 --> 01:14:48,880
do believe there's

2158
01:14:54,470 --> 01:14:51,920
you know a really really strong chance

2159
01:14:54,950 --> 01:14:54,480
that there is intelligent life out there

2160
01:14:57,350 --> 01:14:54,960
um

2161
01:14:58,070 --> 01:14:57,360
but but they'll then they always follow

2162
01:15:00,390 --> 01:14:58,080
it up with

2163
01:15:01,350 --> 01:15:00,400
the distances they're too far to get

2164
01:15:03,750 --> 01:15:01,360
here

2165
01:15:05,189 --> 01:15:03,760
and the distances are totally vast i

2166
01:15:06,870 --> 01:15:05,199
totally understand that

2167
01:15:08,310 --> 01:15:06,880
but again we're talking about physics

2168
01:15:09,990 --> 01:15:08,320
maybe there's something

2169
01:15:12,070 --> 01:15:10,000
about physics that we haven't discovered

2170
01:15:14,709 --> 01:15:12,080
yet that can make the difference

2171
01:15:15,669 --> 01:15:14,719
i mean without a doubt um just look at

2172
01:15:19,189 --> 01:15:15,679
it this way so it

2173
01:15:19,750 --> 01:15:19,199
as you go smaller um the physics totally

2174
01:15:21,830 --> 01:15:19,760
changes

2175
01:15:23,510 --> 01:15:21,840
right so there's physics at our level

2176
01:15:24,149 --> 01:15:23,520
but now you go down to the size of an

2177
01:15:28,630 --> 01:15:24,159
ant

2178
01:15:30,630 --> 01:15:28,640
water droplet

2179
01:15:32,550 --> 01:15:30,640
so if you know you can trap an ant in a

2180
01:15:35,189 --> 01:15:32,560
water droplet right and now just

2181
01:15:36,790 --> 01:15:35,199
just the water tension on that little

2182
01:15:40,470 --> 01:15:36,800
water droplet

2183
01:15:42,790 --> 01:15:40,480
can trap that ant so basically you have

2184
01:15:44,070 --> 01:15:42,800
you have arguably the strongest creature

2185
01:15:46,070 --> 01:15:44,080
you know one of the strongest creatures

2186
01:15:47,830 --> 01:15:46,080
on on our planet essentially

2187
01:15:50,709 --> 01:15:47,840
for body weight and they can be trapped

2188
01:15:53,270 --> 01:15:50,719
by just a droplet of water

2189
01:15:53,910 --> 01:15:53,280
um because you know the physics at that

2190
01:15:56,310 --> 01:15:53,920
size

2191
01:15:57,669 --> 01:15:56,320
is is totally different you know your

2192
01:16:00,070 --> 01:15:57,679
hypertension

2193
01:16:01,270 --> 01:16:00,080
of the water is strong compared to an

2194
01:16:02,870 --> 01:16:01,280
ant whereas an ant

2195
01:16:04,470 --> 01:16:02,880
one of the strongest animals you know

2196
01:16:06,390 --> 01:16:04,480
has no problem

2197
01:16:07,750 --> 01:16:06,400
outside of that and that's just if you

2198
01:16:09,830 --> 01:16:07,760
go to that level so

2199
01:16:11,110 --> 01:16:09,840
now you go down even further and it gets

2200
01:16:12,950 --> 01:16:11,120
even weirder

2201
01:16:15,270 --> 01:16:12,960
right it gets it gets much weirder if we

2202
01:16:16,870 --> 01:16:15,280
go down to quantum physics

2203
01:16:19,350 --> 01:16:16,880
essentially the physics are totally

2204
01:16:21,110 --> 01:16:19,360
different you know if you look at

2205
01:16:22,550 --> 01:16:21,120
all your quantum physics is like it

2206
01:16:24,950 --> 01:16:22,560
literally is another world

2207
01:16:26,229 --> 01:16:24,960
you know so as we're peering down

2208
01:16:29,990 --> 01:16:26,239
further and further

2209
01:16:32,870 --> 01:16:30,000
into uh i call it another dimension

2210
01:16:33,750 --> 01:16:32,880
actually as you're looking down into the

2211
01:16:35,430 --> 01:16:33,760
quantum realm

2212
01:16:38,470 --> 01:16:35,440
i i believe you're looking into we're

2213
01:16:40,550 --> 01:16:38,480
looking into another dimension

2214
01:16:42,630 --> 01:16:40,560
and there is actually where the physics

2215
01:16:43,990 --> 01:16:42,640
are totally different

2216
01:16:45,990 --> 01:16:44,000
so now you you know you have two

2217
01:16:47,430 --> 01:16:46,000
particles you have the heisenberg

2218
01:16:49,750 --> 01:16:47,440
uncertainty principle right

2219
01:16:50,950 --> 01:16:49,760
anything you look at essentially as soon

2220
01:16:52,470 --> 01:16:50,960
as you look at it it does

2221
01:16:54,149 --> 01:16:52,480
it's not there anymore all right because

2222
01:16:55,990 --> 01:16:54,159
you stopped it there's so many weird

2223
01:16:59,830 --> 01:16:56,000
things quantum entanglement

2224
01:17:02,470 --> 01:16:59,840
uh just um just solid state physics

2225
01:17:03,350 --> 01:17:02,480
you know i don't think anyone really

2226
01:17:05,270 --> 01:17:03,360
understands

2227
01:17:06,950 --> 01:17:05,280
you know how a photon does not actually

2228
01:17:09,750 --> 01:17:06,960
go from one place to the next

2229
01:17:10,149 --> 01:17:09,760
or or an electron you know it doesn't go

2230
01:17:12,790 --> 01:17:10,159
from

2231
01:17:15,030 --> 01:17:12,800
one energy state of an atom and and

2232
01:17:16,229 --> 01:17:15,040
smoothly linearly go to the next energy

2233
01:17:17,910 --> 01:17:16,239
state

2234
01:17:19,510 --> 01:17:17,920
you know it jumps that's why it's called

2235
01:17:22,790 --> 01:17:19,520
quantum

2236
01:17:25,030 --> 01:17:22,800
so your physics literally

2237
01:17:27,030 --> 01:17:25,040
completely changes as we go smaller

2238
01:17:30,070 --> 01:17:27,040
right into the quantum realm

2239
01:17:32,310 --> 01:17:30,080
but now as we go bigger we ex we

2240
01:17:33,510 --> 01:17:32,320
expect this physics to be exactly the

2241
01:17:36,709 --> 01:17:33,520
same as what we are

2242
01:17:38,790 --> 01:17:36,719
what we have at this level and and

2243
01:17:40,709 --> 01:17:38,800
as you go slow as you go smaller it does

2244
01:17:42,790 --> 01:17:40,719
not make right it totally changes

2245
01:17:44,870 --> 01:17:42,800
so why do we expect as we go bigger that

2246
01:17:46,070 --> 01:17:44,880
the uh that the physics would be

2247
01:17:47,990 --> 01:17:46,080
would be the same you know it's

2248
01:17:49,189 --> 01:17:48,000
completely different any other any other

2249
01:17:50,390 --> 01:17:49,199
way so

2250
01:17:52,470 --> 01:17:50,400
that's what i would say out of it

2251
01:17:54,310 --> 01:17:52,480
exactly like that that's interesting

2252
01:17:55,990 --> 01:17:54,320
um so i want to talk about some of the

2253
01:17:58,950 --> 01:17:56,000
videos first of all

2254
01:18:00,070 --> 01:17:58,960
when you were looking at these videos as

2255
01:18:02,709 --> 01:18:00,080
a pilot

2256
01:18:03,110 --> 01:18:02,719
um what was your first were you shocked

2257
01:18:07,030 --> 01:18:03,120
by

2258
01:18:12,070 --> 01:18:09,510
yeah i mean it's the the video i made

2259
01:18:13,510 --> 01:18:12,080
was literally the

2260
01:18:15,110 --> 01:18:13,520
i was shocked in that video i wasn't

2261
01:18:17,270 --> 01:18:15,120
acting you know

2262
01:18:18,709 --> 01:18:17,280
basically late at night i'm filming the

2263
01:18:21,430 --> 01:18:18,719
video and i'm just like

2264
01:18:22,390 --> 01:18:21,440
and i watched lou elizondo and he's he's

2265
01:18:24,229 --> 01:18:22,400
on 60 minutes

2266
01:18:26,630 --> 01:18:24,239
and he said basically all the

2267
01:18:27,990 --> 01:18:26,640
capabilities these things had

2268
01:18:29,990 --> 01:18:28,000
and they said they were tracked by

2269
01:18:32,630 --> 01:18:30,000
multiple sources you know where that's

2270
01:18:34,390 --> 01:18:32,640
where that kind of cued me was

2271
01:18:36,070 --> 01:18:34,400
you know they've declassified this they

2272
01:18:40,470 --> 01:18:36,080
said it's been tracked by

2273
01:18:43,510 --> 01:18:40,480
multiple sources um and they have

2274
01:18:46,149 --> 01:18:43,520
a video as well plus along with with

2275
01:18:47,830 --> 01:18:46,159
fravor's account so

2276
01:18:49,189 --> 01:18:47,840
so for me honestly i'm still kind of

2277
01:18:50,870 --> 01:18:49,199
processing it you know for

2278
01:18:52,870 --> 01:18:50,880
for a week i just kind of just walked

2279
01:18:54,550 --> 01:18:52,880
around like outside you know just

2280
01:18:55,430 --> 01:18:54,560
looking up like man am i being followed

2281
01:18:57,350 --> 01:18:55,440
or something you know i

2282
01:18:59,669 --> 01:18:57,360
i don't know there is a weird mental

2283
01:19:01,990 --> 01:18:59,679
process as you go through this

2284
01:19:03,830 --> 01:19:02,000
um of seeing these videos but the

2285
01:19:04,310 --> 01:19:03,840
weirdest part was that gimbal video

2286
01:19:06,229 --> 01:19:04,320
right so

2287
01:19:07,990 --> 01:19:06,239
i'm you know i'm researching analyzing

2288
01:19:11,110 --> 01:19:08,000
the gimbal video for for for

2289
01:19:12,790 --> 01:19:11,120
my video and i and i i've seen it

2290
01:19:15,110 --> 01:19:12,800
i've watched that video so many times at

2291
01:19:16,630 --> 01:19:15,120
that point that i could see it you know

2292
01:19:18,470 --> 01:19:16,640
i could kind of see the image like i

2293
01:19:20,390 --> 01:19:18,480
said you kind of meld you know i it's in

2294
01:19:23,830 --> 01:19:20,400
infrared it looks blurry to you guys but

2295
01:19:25,110 --> 01:19:23,840
i see much more um and so i tried to

2296
01:19:26,390 --> 01:19:25,120
find a photo of it

2297
01:19:28,070 --> 01:19:26,400
you know i was like hey this is what i

2298
01:19:30,950 --> 01:19:28,080
think it looks like so i was looking

2299
01:19:32,790 --> 01:19:30,960
around on the internet to try and find

2300
01:19:34,149 --> 01:19:32,800
an actual image and i thought it'd be

2301
01:19:35,750 --> 01:19:34,159
easy you know i was like it looks like a

2302
01:19:37,510 --> 01:19:35,760
flying saucer you know like

2303
01:19:39,350 --> 01:19:37,520
the one you see everywhere but when i

2304
01:19:40,149 --> 01:19:39,360
started looking i couldn't find like a

2305
01:19:42,149 --> 01:19:40,159
drawing of it

2306
01:19:43,350 --> 01:19:42,159
there was no good drawing of this flying

2307
01:19:46,550 --> 01:19:43,360
sauce you know i was like no

2308
01:19:50,550 --> 01:19:46,560
no no you know so the only

2309
01:19:53,590 --> 01:19:50,560
the best actual picture of it was

2310
01:19:55,189 --> 01:19:53,600
you know from a 1952 photo

2311
01:19:57,510 --> 01:19:55,199
you know it's this black and white photo

2312
01:19:58,870 --> 01:19:57,520
it has the the flying saucer at an angle

2313
01:20:00,310 --> 01:19:58,880
there's like a tree i don't know maybe

2314
01:20:01,910 --> 01:20:00,320
it's a famous one

2315
01:20:04,149 --> 01:20:01,920
um and i was like that's it you know

2316
01:20:05,510 --> 01:20:04,159
that is that's what i'm seeing in the

2317
01:20:07,030 --> 01:20:05,520
gimbal and that like

2318
01:20:08,229 --> 01:20:07,040
that blew me away you know i just i just

2319
01:20:08,870 --> 01:20:08,239
couldn't believe it because i looked

2320
01:20:10,550 --> 01:20:08,880
through

2321
01:20:12,550 --> 01:20:10,560
for like 20 minutes i looked online you

2322
01:20:13,110 --> 01:20:12,560
know because you know as a creator

2323
01:20:14,149 --> 01:20:13,120
you're always

2324
01:20:16,229 --> 01:20:14,159
sometimes you're looking for these

2325
01:20:17,990 --> 01:20:16,239
random things yep

2326
01:20:19,510 --> 01:20:18,000
and i just couldn't find it i think what

2327
01:20:22,870 --> 01:20:19,520
you're describing there

2328
01:20:23,590 --> 01:20:22,880
is the billy meyer photo um which ends

2329
01:20:25,430 --> 01:20:23,600
up

2330
01:20:27,430 --> 01:20:25,440
being uh i mean it's a great looking

2331
01:20:28,790 --> 01:20:27,440
photo but i think i mean i'll have

2332
01:20:31,270 --> 01:20:28,800
you'll have to send it it's a faker

2333
01:20:32,070 --> 01:20:31,280
watch it be a fake you're like damn it

2334
01:20:35,430 --> 01:20:32,080
after this last

2335
01:20:38,070 --> 01:20:35,440
week i'm sure yeah yeah but

2336
01:20:38,790 --> 01:20:38,080
but um let's talk about um let's talk

2337
01:20:40,310 --> 01:20:38,800
about we have

2338
01:20:42,070 --> 01:20:40,320
we have about seven or eight minutes

2339
01:20:44,229 --> 01:20:42,080
we're going to start taking calls and i

2340
01:20:46,390 --> 01:20:44,239
do apologize tonight for the people

2341
01:20:48,070 --> 01:20:46,400
in chat i haven't been able to ask any

2342
01:20:49,189 --> 01:20:48,080
of your questions i apologize but you'll

2343
01:20:52,229 --> 01:20:49,199
get a chance to

2344
01:20:53,990 --> 01:20:52,239
call in in a few minutes coming up um

2345
01:20:55,590 --> 01:20:54,000
but uh and next week i should have a

2346
01:20:57,110 --> 01:20:55,600
power pack for my computer if i have to

2347
01:21:01,110 --> 01:20:57,120
be out here again at the boat

2348
01:21:02,709 --> 01:21:01,120
so um let's talk about how you analyze i

2349
01:21:05,590 --> 01:21:02,719
i watched your

2350
01:21:06,229 --> 01:21:05,600
on the omaha uh video the other day as

2351
01:21:09,510 --> 01:21:06,239
well

2352
01:21:11,750 --> 01:21:09,520
uh and out of all the videos that you

2353
01:21:14,070 --> 01:21:11,760
looked through and you tried to do your

2354
01:21:15,750 --> 01:21:14,080
work on what do you think is the most

2355
01:21:18,149 --> 01:21:15,760
astounding of all them that you've

2356
01:21:21,990 --> 01:21:18,159
looked at in these four or five videos

2357
01:21:27,030 --> 01:21:25,350
i guess for most astounding uh

2358
01:21:28,950 --> 01:21:27,040
i mean that so i was just looking again

2359
01:21:30,870 --> 01:21:28,960
at i originally kind of discounted the

2360
01:21:33,830 --> 01:21:30,880
flear video

2361
01:21:35,189 --> 01:21:33,840
um but then you know i i changed changed

2362
01:21:37,110 --> 01:21:35,199
my mind a little bit because you can

2363
01:21:40,149 --> 01:21:37,120
clearly see at the end

2364
01:21:42,070 --> 01:21:40,159
uh the maneuver that thing does is

2365
01:21:43,430 --> 01:21:42,080
we can we can't do that it just cannot

2366
01:21:45,189 --> 01:21:43,440
be done you know

2367
01:21:46,790 --> 01:21:45,199
i guess you could say the gimbal the

2368
01:21:48,790 --> 01:21:46,800
gimbal is unbelievable right like i just

2369
01:21:49,669 --> 01:21:48,800
said like it's a flying saucer i see it

2370
01:21:53,430 --> 01:21:49,679
levitating

2371
01:21:55,350 --> 01:21:53,440
but i guess like i guess you could

2372
01:21:57,110 --> 01:21:55,360
somehow like fake that maybe the end of

2373
01:21:59,830 --> 01:21:57,120
the day you have some

2374
01:22:00,310 --> 01:21:59,840
crap i don't know maybe i don't know i

2375
01:22:03,350 --> 01:22:00,320
don't know

2376
01:22:04,950 --> 01:22:03,360
uh it's not doing any like crazy ping

2377
01:22:06,950 --> 01:22:04,960
pong maneuvers that i would like to see

2378
01:22:08,229 --> 01:22:06,960
you know when fraver talks about this he

2379
01:22:09,990 --> 01:22:08,239
says it moves you know when he

2380
01:22:12,070 --> 01:22:10,000
originally talks about the tic tac he

2381
01:22:13,669 --> 01:22:12,080
says it moves without inertia

2382
01:22:15,350 --> 01:22:13,679
yeah you know and and i totally know

2383
01:22:17,189 --> 01:22:15,360
what that i think that would look like

2384
01:22:19,590 --> 01:22:17,199
you hold up you know a laser

2385
01:22:21,189 --> 01:22:19,600
uh like a laser pointer you know a cat

2386
01:22:23,030 --> 01:22:21,199
if you move that around it's almost like

2387
01:22:25,830 --> 01:22:23,040
these things are moving around

2388
01:22:28,070 --> 01:22:25,840
um almost like laser pointers are

2389
01:22:31,189 --> 01:22:28,080
bouncing around

2390
01:22:32,950 --> 01:22:31,199
um which again i've had a weird thought

2391
01:22:34,550 --> 01:22:32,960
it it you know i've thought a lot about

2392
01:22:37,669 --> 01:22:34,560
what these things

2393
01:22:39,830 --> 01:22:37,679
could possibly be and when i first heard

2394
01:22:41,510 --> 01:22:39,840
fravor

2395
01:22:43,030 --> 01:22:41,520
you know in the oppression i got

2396
01:22:45,590 --> 01:22:43,040
basically how the thing flew

2397
01:22:46,709 --> 01:22:45,600
my my initial impression was like

2398
01:22:49,030 --> 01:22:46,719
intergalactic

2399
01:22:51,110 --> 01:22:49,040
b like that's kind of what i thought you

2400
01:22:52,870 --> 01:22:51,120
know this it feels like a bee

2401
01:22:54,950 --> 01:22:52,880
that's just out there kind of foraging

2402
01:22:55,669 --> 01:22:54,960
around and then we get too close to it

2403
01:22:58,310 --> 01:22:55,679
and it like

2404
01:23:00,470 --> 01:22:58,320
just like flies off you know i don't

2405
01:23:02,070 --> 01:23:00,480
know if that's

2406
01:23:03,510 --> 01:23:02,080
if that's anyway the case but that's

2407
01:23:07,910 --> 01:23:03,520
kind of the impression i get

2408
01:23:10,229 --> 01:23:07,920
um is that i actually get what

2409
01:23:12,950 --> 01:23:10,239
it was reacting kind of like an insect

2410
01:23:14,950 --> 01:23:12,960
in a way it sounded like

2411
01:23:16,790 --> 01:23:14,960
yeah i don't know it and that's what i

2412
01:23:17,910 --> 01:23:16,800
guess i would expect alien life to be

2413
01:23:20,310 --> 01:23:17,920
like you know we always

2414
01:23:22,070 --> 01:23:20,320
we get these and that's where i kind of

2415
01:23:23,030 --> 01:23:22,080
thought i always discounted like the

2416
01:23:25,910 --> 01:23:23,040
gray alien

2417
01:23:27,590 --> 01:23:25,920
you know kind of uh argument is that

2418
01:23:29,910 --> 01:23:27,600
it's just too convenient you know it

2419
01:23:32,950 --> 01:23:29,920
just seems way too convenient

2420
01:23:36,149 --> 01:23:32,960
uh that alien life would would

2421
01:23:37,189 --> 01:23:36,159
even be remotely uh close to us you know

2422
01:23:39,189 --> 01:23:37,199
it would be shaped like

2423
01:23:40,709 --> 01:23:39,199
us or have the same eye you know you

2424
01:23:41,189 --> 01:23:40,719
could argue the grays are you know

2425
01:23:43,350 --> 01:23:41,199
whatever

2426
01:23:44,390 --> 01:23:43,360
very different but it was almost too

2427
01:23:47,990 --> 01:23:44,400
convenient for me

2428
01:23:49,990 --> 01:23:48,000
um to where i think it feels more like

2429
01:23:51,910 --> 01:23:50,000
a real alien life to have this kind of

2430
01:23:53,270 --> 01:23:51,920
thing that doesn't really interact with

2431
01:23:53,910 --> 01:23:53,280
us because it doesn't really know what

2432
01:23:56,950 --> 01:23:53,920
we are

2433
01:23:57,669 --> 01:23:56,960
um you know maybe it's not it doesn't

2434
01:24:00,229 --> 01:23:57,679
have all those

2435
01:24:01,830 --> 01:24:00,239
capabilities to to actually think maybe

2436
01:24:03,270 --> 01:24:01,840
it's you know maybe it isn't

2437
01:24:05,189 --> 01:24:03,280
super intelligent life maybe we're just

2438
01:24:08,709 --> 01:24:05,199
seeing you know life

2439
01:24:10,790 --> 01:24:08,719
you know alien life um yeah or

2440
01:24:12,149 --> 01:24:10,800
um you know the technology a lot of a

2441
01:24:14,629 --> 01:24:12,159
lot of people have when it

2442
01:24:16,070 --> 01:24:14,639
comes to the drones i mean when it comes

2443
01:24:18,390 --> 01:24:16,080
to the technology of

2444
01:24:19,510 --> 01:24:18,400
the uh things like the tic tac for

2445
01:24:22,470 --> 01:24:19,520
instance

2446
01:24:24,070 --> 01:24:22,480
uh and what it was doing ours you know

2447
01:24:26,310 --> 01:24:24,080
make this suggestion

2448
01:24:27,189 --> 01:24:26,320
that it could be yes it could be alien

2449
01:24:30,550 --> 01:24:27,199
technology

2450
01:24:31,910 --> 01:24:30,560
possibly and maybe it's a drone um which

2451
01:24:34,950 --> 01:24:31,920
i thought was an interesting

2452
01:24:37,270 --> 01:24:34,960
take on that you know and that yeah the

2453
01:24:40,229 --> 01:24:37,280
von neumann grooms yeah

2454
01:24:40,470 --> 01:24:40,239
yeah and then one of you know uh i when

2455
01:24:44,470 --> 01:24:40,480
i

2456
01:24:46,550 --> 01:24:44,480
when he was on the show

2457
01:24:48,070 --> 01:24:46,560
he suggested that if there was ever any

2458
01:24:50,310 --> 01:24:48,080
alien life here

2459
01:24:52,149 --> 01:24:50,320
coming here to visit it would have to be

2460
01:24:55,350 --> 01:24:52,159
technological like a drone

2461
01:24:58,070 --> 01:24:55,360
um because uh you know the the

2462
01:25:00,310 --> 01:24:58,080
time distance and you know the the

2463
01:25:03,270 --> 01:25:00,320
thousands of years that we take etc

2464
01:25:04,870 --> 01:25:03,280
and you know i mean there could be an

2465
01:25:06,550 --> 01:25:04,880
argument for that but again going back

2466
01:25:07,990 --> 01:25:06,560
there could be something about physics

2467
01:25:10,070 --> 01:25:08,000
as i said earlier that we haven't

2468
01:25:11,590 --> 01:25:10,080
figured out yet as well well i was

2469
01:25:13,830 --> 01:25:11,600
watching a recent uh

2470
01:25:15,430 --> 01:25:13,840
interview recently i'm sorry i can't

2471
01:25:17,350 --> 01:25:15,440
tell you exactly

2472
01:25:19,430 --> 01:25:17,360
but basically they were saying that the

2473
01:25:21,430 --> 01:25:19,440
the time dilation works both ways

2474
01:25:22,790 --> 01:25:21,440
so if you were to go say you were you

2475
01:25:26,310 --> 01:25:22,800
could travel at

2476
01:25:28,390 --> 01:25:26,320
a tenth the speed of light um so it

2477
01:25:29,910 --> 01:25:28,400
from an outside observer yes it would

2478
01:25:32,070 --> 01:25:29,920
take you say

2479
01:25:33,669 --> 01:25:32,080
20 000 years to reach whatever alpha

2480
01:25:35,830 --> 01:25:33,679
centauri you know

2481
01:25:36,790 --> 01:25:35,840
that's probably probably too much uh but

2482
01:25:39,270 --> 01:25:36,800
actually for you

2483
01:25:41,270 --> 01:25:39,280
it would only be like 30 or 40 years

2484
01:25:42,550 --> 01:25:41,280
because since you're traveling so fast

2485
01:25:45,910 --> 01:25:42,560
your time

2486
01:25:47,669 --> 01:25:45,920
it gets crunched essentially so for you

2487
01:25:49,669 --> 01:25:47,679
it's only like 30 or 40 years

2488
01:25:51,189 --> 01:25:49,679
you know so you know you could have that

2489
01:25:53,590 --> 01:25:51,199
these

2490
01:25:55,030 --> 01:25:53,600
let's say aliens even with our current

2491
01:25:56,629 --> 01:25:55,040
understanding of physics they're just

2492
01:25:59,510 --> 01:25:56,639
traveling very fast

2493
01:26:02,070 --> 01:25:59,520
one tenth the speed of light um and it

2494
01:26:03,510 --> 01:26:02,080
takes them 30 years to get here but now

2495
01:26:05,350 --> 01:26:03,520
you just say yeah i'm never going back

2496
01:26:08,550 --> 01:26:05,360
to my home planet

2497
01:26:09,350 --> 01:26:08,560
yeah um we could do that right we could

2498
01:26:11,590 --> 01:26:09,360
take a big ship

2499
01:26:13,430 --> 01:26:11,600
go it would take 30 years right you go

2500
01:26:15,750 --> 01:26:13,440
suspended animation

2501
01:26:17,430 --> 01:26:15,760
yeah it's 200 000 years back uh back on

2502
01:26:19,510 --> 01:26:17,440
earth but um

2503
01:26:25,030 --> 01:26:19,520
you know whatever moving to a new new

2504
01:26:31,990 --> 01:26:30,229
oh sorry uh i was panicking my uh

2505
01:26:33,910 --> 01:26:32,000
my inflatable was gone but it was just

2506
01:26:36,310 --> 01:26:33,920
it's around the other side of the boat

2507
01:26:37,030 --> 01:26:36,320
someone stole your uh your dinghy yeah

2508
01:26:38,310 --> 01:26:37,040
that's right

2509
01:26:40,790 --> 01:26:38,320
i'd be stranded out here on the boat

2510
01:26:42,550 --> 01:26:40,800
forever but i honestly i hope they

2511
01:26:42,950 --> 01:26:42,560
release a lot more information you know

2512
01:26:48,629 --> 01:26:42,960
i think

2513
01:26:51,510 --> 01:26:48,639
always release those targeting pod

2514
01:26:52,310 --> 01:26:51,520
videos i mean and if you look it's it's

2515
01:26:56,870 --> 01:26:52,320
they have the

2516
01:26:58,310 --> 01:26:56,880
when i flew i would start my tapes

2517
01:27:01,110 --> 01:26:58,320
you know we call them tapes because in

2518
01:27:02,629 --> 01:27:01,120
the past we used to use actual tape

2519
01:27:04,149 --> 01:27:02,639
um so you would have to actually turn

2520
01:27:05,590 --> 01:27:04,159
them off and turn them back on so right

2521
01:27:07,189 --> 01:27:05,600
before you go to an engagement you would

2522
01:27:07,990 --> 01:27:07,199
turn it on because your tape would run

2523
01:27:10,950 --> 01:27:08,000
out

2524
01:27:12,550 --> 01:27:10,960
but now we have digital tapes um so

2525
01:27:14,070 --> 01:27:12,560
maybe for the nimitz you know they don't

2526
01:27:15,030 --> 01:27:14,080
have that much time it sounds like they

2527
01:27:16,790 --> 01:27:15,040
had a lot more

2528
01:27:18,070 --> 01:27:16,800
but for the more recent like you know

2529
01:27:19,590 --> 01:27:18,080
the roosevelt

2530
01:27:21,270 --> 01:27:19,600
uh or the omaha if you know if there's

2531
01:27:21,830 --> 01:27:21,280
any planes that had any data from the

2532
01:27:23,830 --> 01:27:21,840
omaha

2533
01:27:25,510 --> 01:27:23,840
they're going to have their their tapes

2534
01:27:27,110 --> 01:27:25,520
running the whole time

2535
01:27:29,350 --> 01:27:27,120
you know that i would like to see the

2536
01:27:33,830 --> 01:27:29,360
next 20 seconds of that go fast

2537
01:27:35,510 --> 01:27:33,840
video i could clench it you know like

2538
01:27:37,030 --> 01:27:35,520
i wonder what happens because i know

2539
01:27:38,550 --> 01:27:37,040
they're they're merging you know they're

2540
01:27:40,390 --> 01:27:38,560
merging with this thing

2541
01:27:42,229 --> 01:27:40,400
so what happens after you know what what

2542
01:27:42,950 --> 01:27:42,239
does it do is it just continue did they

2543
01:27:45,350 --> 01:27:42,960
follow it

2544
01:27:47,590 --> 01:27:45,360
um you know these engagements are long

2545
01:27:49,110 --> 01:27:47,600
you know air engagements are

2546
01:27:51,189 --> 01:27:49,120
they're short but they're still several

2547
01:27:52,550 --> 01:27:51,199
minutes you know and

2548
01:27:53,990 --> 01:27:52,560
and these things aren't going fast you

2549
01:27:55,590 --> 01:27:54,000
look at the go fast thing it's going

2550
01:27:56,709 --> 01:27:55,600
like point eight mach like we can keep

2551
01:27:58,310 --> 01:27:56,719
up with that

2552
01:28:00,070 --> 01:27:58,320
so they could have easily followed this

2553
01:28:01,830 --> 01:28:00,080
thing for you know many many minutes

2554
01:28:03,669 --> 01:28:01,840
like 20 minutes 30 minutes until they

2555
01:28:06,470 --> 01:28:03,679
ran out of fuel

2556
01:28:07,669 --> 01:28:06,480
so hopefully yeah that's a strange thing

2557
01:28:11,030 --> 01:28:07,679
about because i've

2558
01:28:13,510 --> 01:28:11,040
i've talked about this before that

2559
01:28:14,070 --> 01:28:13,520
they're not um you know like for

2560
01:28:15,350 --> 01:28:14,080
instance

2561
01:28:16,870 --> 01:28:15,360
i know you're going to do the deep dive

2562
01:28:18,709 --> 01:28:16,880
into the nimitz and maybe i can help you

2563
01:28:22,149 --> 01:28:18,719
with that with some of the people i know

2564
01:28:22,950 --> 01:28:22,159
um but um we do have uh looks like we do

2565
01:28:24,709 --> 01:28:22,960
have a

2566
01:28:26,790 --> 01:28:24,719
we might have some calls coming in or we

2567
01:28:29,110 --> 01:28:26,800
may have a caller coming in soon

2568
01:28:30,870 --> 01:28:29,120
um and the numbers up on the screen

2569
01:28:31,590 --> 01:28:30,880
eight five five four seven two five four

2570
01:28:33,270 --> 01:28:31,600
eight three

2571
01:28:34,870 --> 01:28:33,280
the bill will be screening and they'll

2572
01:28:39,189 --> 01:28:34,880
be doing a lot of work tonight

2573
01:28:41,030 --> 01:28:39,199
um but um

2574
01:28:43,590 --> 01:28:41,040
uh i forget exactly the train of thought

2575
01:28:44,310 --> 01:28:43,600
i was on before i saw this whole screen

2576
01:28:47,990 --> 01:28:44,320
flash

2577
01:28:48,229 --> 01:28:48,000
around um do you remember exactly what i

2578
01:28:53,270 --> 01:28:48,239
was

2579
01:28:55,030 --> 01:28:53,280
i apologize for that uh with the

2580
01:28:58,550 --> 01:28:55,040
technical issues here

2581
01:28:59,910 --> 01:28:58,560
uh yeah i guess as far as i hope they

2582
01:29:01,990 --> 01:28:59,920
they've released more information i mean

2583
01:29:04,470 --> 01:29:02,000
that should be the

2584
01:29:05,110 --> 01:29:04,480
the primary goal you know we it's kind

2585
01:29:07,030 --> 01:29:05,120
of like

2586
01:29:08,550 --> 01:29:07,040
sharks with blood in the water i mean i

2587
01:29:10,870 --> 01:29:08,560
i kind of get that feeling i hope that's

2588
01:29:12,310 --> 01:29:10,880
the case because they

2589
01:29:14,390 --> 01:29:12,320
you know they said the f word in front

2590
01:29:16,070 --> 01:29:14,400
of mom you know they said we have this

2591
01:29:18,550 --> 01:29:16,080
data we have 80

2592
01:29:20,550 --> 01:29:18,560
cases of you know corroborated multiple

2593
01:29:22,470 --> 01:29:20,560
sensor data we have 11

2594
01:29:23,990 --> 01:29:22,480
you know we have 18 where it's actually

2595
01:29:25,910 --> 01:29:24,000
maneuvering crazy right so

2596
01:29:27,270 --> 01:29:25,920
the flare video what i finally finished

2597
01:29:30,070 --> 01:29:27,280
on is that's a that's

2598
01:29:31,030 --> 01:29:30,080
that's a dynamic maneuvering i think

2599
01:29:32,629 --> 01:29:31,040
they they say in

2600
01:29:34,390 --> 01:29:32,639
in the report basically it's doing

2601
01:29:35,430 --> 01:29:34,400
maneuvers that we can under we can't

2602
01:29:38,149 --> 01:29:35,440
understand and we can't

2603
01:29:39,510 --> 01:29:38,159
explain them um gimbal as well just

2604
01:29:41,510 --> 01:29:39,520
because it has no

2605
01:29:43,110 --> 01:29:41,520
uh it has no propulsion signs of

2606
01:29:45,350 --> 01:29:43,120
propulsion

2607
01:29:47,910 --> 01:29:45,360
yeah i mean that is that's got to be one

2608
01:29:49,830 --> 01:29:47,920
of the most puzzling things there's no

2609
01:29:51,030 --> 01:29:49,840
heat coming off of it there's no you

2610
01:29:53,189 --> 01:29:51,040
know propulsion or

2611
01:29:55,110 --> 01:29:53,199
no rotor wash or anything like that we

2612
01:29:58,629 --> 01:29:55,120
have a caller from virginia welcome to

2613
01:30:03,910 --> 01:30:01,510
hi thank you chris how are you great

2614
01:30:05,510 --> 01:30:03,920
yeah welcome

2615
01:30:07,270 --> 01:30:05,520
thank you for the interview um i just

2616
01:30:11,110 --> 01:30:07,280
wanted to ask you a question

2617
01:30:14,709 --> 01:30:11,120
about the radar and you mentioned

2618
01:30:17,669 --> 01:30:14,719
on your screen something about 99

2619
01:30:18,149 --> 01:30:17,679
and how it wasn't the the lock system

2620
01:30:20,470 --> 01:30:18,159
wasn't

2621
01:30:21,430 --> 01:30:20,480
able to lock in on the ufo and it was

2622
01:30:24,709 --> 01:30:21,440
saying something like

2623
01:30:25,430 --> 01:30:24,719
r99 my question is and i think that

2624
01:30:28,229 --> 01:30:25,440
means it's

2625
01:30:29,030 --> 01:30:28,239
jamming the radar signal so my question

2626
01:30:32,229 --> 01:30:29,040
is

2627
01:30:33,030 --> 01:30:32,239
how often would that occur when you're

2628
01:30:35,430 --> 01:30:33,040
flying your

2629
01:30:37,669 --> 01:30:35,440
uh the jet i mean how often would a

2630
01:30:39,110 --> 01:30:37,679
radar jam like that if you're locking in

2631
01:30:40,550 --> 01:30:39,120
on like a friendly

2632
01:30:42,310 --> 01:30:40,560
craft or something has that ever

2633
01:30:46,470 --> 01:30:42,320
happened to you before where the system

2634
01:30:49,830 --> 01:30:46,480
failed on you yeah i mean it happens

2635
01:30:50,950 --> 01:30:49,840
it happens a lot i wouldn't say um

2636
01:30:52,870 --> 01:30:50,960
i wouldn't say all the time but

2637
01:30:56,470 --> 01:30:52,880
especially if they're emitting energy

2638
01:30:57,270 --> 01:30:56,480
you know so uh so we have our radars

2639
01:30:59,030 --> 01:30:57,280
actually hop

2640
01:31:00,550 --> 01:30:59,040
you know they hop frequencies and that's

2641
01:31:03,750 --> 01:31:00,560
so they can be

2642
01:31:05,669 --> 01:31:03,760
against jamming right because you know

2643
01:31:06,950 --> 01:31:05,679
the best way to jam is i just put out an

2644
01:31:08,149 --> 01:31:06,960
always on your frequency

2645
01:31:10,070 --> 01:31:08,159
you know if we're talking right now and

2646
01:31:11,430 --> 01:31:10,080
i play loud radio uh

2647
01:31:13,270 --> 01:31:11,440
you know no one's going to be able to

2648
01:31:16,709 --> 01:31:13,280
hear what we're talking about um

2649
01:31:19,590 --> 01:31:16,719
so the radar and and it actually hops

2650
01:31:20,550 --> 01:31:19,600
um hops different frequencies um so but

2651
01:31:21,990 --> 01:31:20,560
what happens is

2652
01:31:23,350 --> 01:31:22,000
when we're fighting each other right

2653
01:31:24,070 --> 01:31:23,360
because we're always training against

2654
01:31:25,430 --> 01:31:24,080
each other

2655
01:31:27,510 --> 01:31:25,440
we're always getting co-channel

2656
01:31:29,270 --> 01:31:27,520
interference right so you're always

2657
01:31:33,030 --> 01:31:29,280
having an f-16 radar is

2658
01:31:35,590 --> 01:31:33,040
is is uh targeting an f-16

2659
01:31:37,110 --> 01:31:35,600
uh the radars will actually interfere so

2660
01:31:39,030 --> 01:31:37,120
what we do is we lock

2661
01:31:41,110 --> 01:31:39,040
we tell our we tell our red air so who's

2662
01:31:43,669 --> 01:31:41,120
training to be the red fighters

2663
01:31:44,709 --> 01:31:43,679
we tell them to to lock their radar into

2664
01:31:47,910 --> 01:31:44,719
a certain frequency

2665
01:31:52,149 --> 01:31:47,920
right and then we just avoid that one um

2666
01:31:54,390 --> 01:31:52,159
and so this it's it's common to get

2667
01:31:55,189 --> 01:31:54,400
radar interference you know like

2668
01:31:56,550 --> 01:31:55,199
anything else like

2669
01:31:58,470 --> 01:31:56,560
like calm interference you know you

2670
01:31:59,990 --> 01:31:58,480
listen to any any radio you hear that

2671
01:32:01,430 --> 01:32:00,000
stuff in the background so this is

2672
01:32:03,350 --> 01:32:01,440
it's all in the environment as well so

2673
01:32:03,750 --> 01:32:03,360
you have all this electromagnetic energy

2674
01:32:05,430 --> 01:32:03,760
just

2675
01:32:07,189 --> 01:32:05,440
in the environment as well that that the

2676
01:32:10,830 --> 01:32:07,199
radar has to deal with it

2677
01:32:17,430 --> 01:32:14,070
yeah um so the point is

2678
01:32:20,470 --> 01:32:17,440
it's still weird right because

2679
01:32:23,669 --> 01:32:20,480
i'm expecting uh i'm expecting to see a

2680
01:32:28,310 --> 01:32:23,679
range there if it's from an object

2681
01:32:31,750 --> 01:32:30,390
all it means i think all i really read

2682
01:32:33,990 --> 01:32:31,760
from this is that

2683
01:32:35,030 --> 01:32:34,000
the the radar energy that's that's

2684
01:32:38,390 --> 01:32:35,040
ending up back

2685
01:32:40,229 --> 01:32:38,400
into the radar has been modified

2686
01:32:41,910 --> 01:32:40,239
in some way that the radar doesn't

2687
01:32:43,910 --> 01:32:41,920
understand

2688
01:32:45,110 --> 01:32:43,920
and if the if the pulse right because

2689
01:32:45,669 --> 01:32:45,120
the radars they're going to send out

2690
01:32:48,229 --> 01:32:45,679
pulses

2691
01:32:49,110 --> 01:32:48,239
in a pulse train they send out in in

2692
01:32:51,189 --> 01:32:49,120
their frequency

2693
01:32:53,030 --> 01:32:51,199
they send it out it's a coded pulse

2694
01:32:55,510 --> 01:32:53,040
right so they know hey

2695
01:32:56,550 --> 01:32:55,520
my radar i send out five pulses right

2696
01:32:59,669 --> 01:32:56,560
and when it comes back

2697
01:33:02,229 --> 01:32:59,679
it has six pulses they're like ah

2698
01:33:03,030 --> 01:33:02,239
jamming right all the radar is saying is

2699
01:33:06,149 --> 01:33:03,040
that it doesn't

2700
01:33:08,470 --> 01:33:06,159
understand what it's receiving back

2701
01:33:09,510 --> 01:33:08,480
and it thinks the signal has been uh

2702
01:33:11,270 --> 01:33:09,520
messed with

2703
01:33:13,030 --> 01:33:11,280
so it could be you can receive this from

2704
01:33:16,229 --> 01:33:13,040
co-channel interference

2705
01:33:19,350 --> 01:33:16,239
um or you can receive it from the actual

2706
01:33:21,990 --> 01:33:19,360
energy being changed when it comes back

2707
01:33:23,830 --> 01:33:22,000
and that's more the impression i get it

2708
01:33:26,790 --> 01:33:23,840
i don't know if they're actively jamming

2709
01:33:28,709 --> 01:33:26,800
you know chad underwood says that

2710
01:33:30,470 --> 01:33:28,719
my own feeling from it is that it's just

2711
01:33:32,390 --> 01:33:30,480
not reflecting off of this stuff or it's

2712
01:33:34,550 --> 01:33:32,400
or it's changing it somehow it's

2713
01:33:35,990 --> 01:33:34,560
we're not getting a clean hit bouncing

2714
01:33:39,030 --> 01:33:36,000
off of something it's

2715
01:33:42,390 --> 01:33:39,040
it's being modified

2716
01:33:43,270 --> 01:33:42,400
well anything else caller that's just a

2717
01:33:46,470 --> 01:33:43,280
lot to take

2718
01:33:47,750 --> 01:33:46,480
no thank you everything you said because

2719
01:33:48,470 --> 01:33:47,760
i would find that answer to your

2720
01:33:50,709 --> 01:33:48,480
question

2721
01:33:52,229 --> 01:33:50,719
i mean you're just too no i mean you you

2722
01:33:54,310 --> 01:33:52,239
answered it but i mean that was just a

2723
01:33:56,229 --> 01:33:54,320
really complicated answer because

2724
01:33:58,310 --> 01:33:56,239
i mean i wanted you to just say i mean

2725
01:34:01,830 --> 01:33:58,320
you said at some point in there

2726
01:34:04,709 --> 01:34:01,840
that you expected it to

2727
01:34:05,830 --> 01:34:04,719
capture and when you said that but then

2728
01:34:08,870 --> 01:34:05,840
you also said

2729
01:34:10,629 --> 01:34:08,880
that it also hops and and i get

2730
01:34:13,030 --> 01:34:10,639
that but that's conflicting to me if

2731
01:34:15,430 --> 01:34:13,040
you're locked in and you have the range

2732
01:34:17,510 --> 01:34:15,440
why would it why would it be skipping i

2733
01:34:19,830 --> 01:34:17,520
mean you shouldn't say r99

2734
01:34:20,790 --> 01:34:19,840
right i mean it should lock in tell you

2735
01:34:23,910 --> 01:34:20,800
the distance

2736
01:34:26,790 --> 01:34:23,920
and then that's that it should

2737
01:34:27,189 --> 01:34:26,800
yeah it but it it doesn't do it every

2738
01:34:28,709 --> 01:34:27,199
time

2739
01:34:30,709 --> 01:34:28,719
but what i'm explaining trying to

2740
01:34:33,030 --> 01:34:30,719
explain is that

2741
01:34:33,990 --> 01:34:33,040
uh the the radar energy that went back

2742
01:34:37,270 --> 01:34:34,000
into the radar

2743
01:34:39,110 --> 01:34:37,280
was changed i mean that's what i that's

2744
01:34:41,030 --> 01:34:39,120
what i read from that

2745
01:34:42,629 --> 01:34:41,040
so i don't know underwood said it's from

2746
01:34:46,310 --> 01:34:42,639
jamming before

2747
01:34:49,189 --> 01:34:46,320
um and what's interesting to me is that

2748
01:34:51,109 --> 01:34:49,199
there's no radar uh in all of the

2749
01:34:53,750 --> 01:34:51,119
engagements you know underwood says that

2750
01:34:56,950 --> 01:34:53,760
he was able to get a lock to get there

2751
01:34:58,790 --> 01:34:56,960
um but what that tells me is that it's

2752
01:35:02,149 --> 01:34:58,800
difficult to track or it breaks

2753
01:35:03,189 --> 01:35:02,159
it breaks the locks all right well we

2754
01:35:06,070 --> 01:35:03,199
have another caller

2755
01:35:07,109 --> 01:35:06,080
thank thank you so much we have a couple

2756
01:35:08,950 --> 01:35:07,119
of callers online

2757
01:35:10,950 --> 01:35:08,960
and we have two coming up from north

2758
01:35:14,229 --> 01:35:10,960
carolina the first one is rich

2759
01:35:18,629 --> 01:35:14,239
welcome to the show rich

2760
01:35:22,070 --> 01:35:18,639
uh thank you uh this question made

2761
01:35:25,030 --> 01:35:22,080
this question can you hear me yes

2762
01:35:25,990 --> 01:35:25,040
thank you yeah this question may be

2763
01:35:28,709 --> 01:35:26,000
related to

2764
01:35:31,030 --> 01:35:28,719
uh what was already mentioned but in the

2765
01:35:31,750 --> 01:35:31,040
nine page report there was a mention

2766
01:35:34,470 --> 01:35:31,760
that there was

2767
01:35:37,350 --> 01:35:34,480
rf that were detected by some of the

2768
01:35:39,430 --> 01:35:37,360
military sensors that was emanating from

2769
01:35:41,430 --> 01:35:39,440
i forgot which of the objects or maybe

2770
01:35:42,790 --> 01:35:41,440
all of them is there any evidence that

2771
01:35:44,790 --> 01:35:42,800
you know of that

2772
01:35:47,030 --> 01:35:44,800
these objects were being controlled

2773
01:35:49,350 --> 01:35:47,040
externally as drones or

2774
01:35:50,790 --> 01:35:49,360
were communicating like when it was said

2775
01:35:52,790 --> 01:35:50,800
there's a whole fleet of them

2776
01:35:54,149 --> 01:35:52,800
was there any information that there was

2777
01:35:57,189 --> 01:35:54,159
electromagnetic

2778
01:36:00,390 --> 01:35:57,199
uh going back between the objects

2779
01:36:04,390 --> 01:36:02,390
i don't i haven't seen anything yeah i

2780
01:36:06,550 --> 01:36:04,400
can hear you

2781
01:36:10,229 --> 01:36:06,560
uh i haven't seen it before i haven't

2782
01:36:12,310 --> 01:36:10,239
seen any indication that um

2783
01:36:13,910 --> 01:36:12,320
you know or any knowledge that they're

2784
01:36:15,109 --> 01:36:13,920
like communicating with each other the

2785
01:36:16,790 --> 01:36:15,119
only thing i could see is like the

2786
01:36:19,350 --> 01:36:16,800
flashing you know if you look at like

2787
01:36:21,910 --> 01:36:19,360
jeremy corbell's the optical video

2788
01:36:22,950 --> 01:36:21,920
uh or the triangle video um it seems

2789
01:36:26,310 --> 01:36:22,960
like there's one

2790
01:36:27,430 --> 01:36:26,320
flashing uh and then there's two others

2791
01:36:29,030 --> 01:36:27,440
that are just sitting there

2792
01:36:30,470 --> 01:36:29,040
you know and so that seems interesting

2793
01:36:32,149 --> 01:36:30,480
to me like is

2794
01:36:34,470 --> 01:36:32,159
is that some form of communication

2795
01:36:35,910 --> 01:36:34,480
actually um

2796
01:36:38,709 --> 01:36:35,920
right and then like like i just

2797
01:36:39,510 --> 01:36:38,719
mentioned rf energy i looked as well

2798
01:36:41,270 --> 01:36:39,520
because

2799
01:36:43,189 --> 01:36:41,280
they don't they don't nail that down

2800
01:36:47,270 --> 01:36:43,199
anywhere uh all this

2801
01:36:47,280 --> 01:36:50,950
yeah they just say in a few

2802
01:36:54,149 --> 01:36:53,270
radar frequency energy is uh is being

2803
01:36:56,790 --> 01:36:54,159
emitted

2804
01:36:58,629 --> 01:36:56,800
so that could be what you're seeing from

2805
01:37:00,390 --> 01:36:58,639
that 99.9

2806
01:37:02,709 --> 01:37:00,400
uh so you're you're not getting that

2807
01:37:06,070 --> 01:37:05,510
exactly so the radar is receiving energy

2808
01:37:07,830 --> 01:37:06,080
is what it's

2809
01:37:09,669 --> 01:37:07,840
it's what it's saying right it was it's

2810
01:37:10,790 --> 01:37:09,679
attempting to arrange this thing and it

2811
01:37:12,470 --> 01:37:10,800
can't either with a

2812
01:37:14,470 --> 01:37:12,480
i didn't see a laser firing i still

2813
01:37:15,030 --> 01:37:14,480
haven't seen a laser valid laser ranging

2814
01:37:16,790 --> 01:37:15,040
either

2815
01:37:18,830 --> 01:37:16,800
which is also interesting to me right

2816
01:37:21,990 --> 01:37:18,840
yeah

2817
01:37:24,550 --> 01:37:22,000
um uh hopefully next month

2818
01:37:25,030 --> 01:37:24,560
i hope so yeah thanks for calling okay

2819
01:37:28,229 --> 01:37:25,040
thanks

2820
01:37:30,709 --> 01:37:28,239
i appreciate enjoying the show thank you

2821
01:37:32,830 --> 01:37:30,719
thank you rich now we have jonathan from

2822
01:37:34,790 --> 01:37:32,840
north carolina welcome to the show

2823
01:37:40,629 --> 01:37:34,800
jonathan

2824
01:37:47,030 --> 01:37:42,070
i wanted to get your thoughts on an

2825
01:37:47,040 --> 01:37:51,510
hello you hear me yes yeah which article

2826
01:37:55,350 --> 01:37:53,750
okay yeah and it was basically saying

2827
01:37:56,390 --> 01:37:55,360
like if you exclude some of the more

2828
01:37:58,149 --> 01:37:56,400
spectacular

2829
01:37:59,830 --> 01:37:58,159
incidents like the tic tac and others

2830
01:38:01,750 --> 01:37:59,840
where they have these you know amazing

2831
01:38:01,990 --> 01:38:01,760
flight characteristics but if you take

2832
01:38:03,990 --> 01:38:02,000
other

2833
01:38:06,070 --> 01:38:04,000
instances like the omaha event where

2834
01:38:08,709 --> 01:38:06,080
you're basically seeing these

2835
01:38:11,030 --> 01:38:08,719
lights in the sky that are hovering and

2836
01:38:11,669 --> 01:38:11,040
his hypothesis was basically these are

2837
01:38:14,310 --> 01:38:11,679
russians

2838
01:38:15,990 --> 01:38:14,320
for the chinese and my question was when

2839
01:38:17,910 --> 01:38:16,000
you were flying training missions

2840
01:38:19,750 --> 01:38:17,920
did you ever get briefings where people

2841
01:38:21,430 --> 01:38:19,760
would say hey we think it's likely

2842
01:38:22,870 --> 01:38:21,440
the chinese or russians are flying

2843
01:38:27,189 --> 01:38:22,880
little things out there

2844
01:38:29,030 --> 01:38:27,199
just be aware of them um

2845
01:38:30,950 --> 01:38:29,040
yeah i mean i i flew in europe i don't

2846
01:38:34,550 --> 01:38:30,960
remember a lot of specific

2847
01:38:35,109 --> 01:38:34,560
instances you know most of it would just

2848
01:38:37,189 --> 01:38:35,119
be

2849
01:38:39,270 --> 01:38:37,199
international waters right so anywhere

2850
01:38:43,350 --> 01:38:39,280
outside of 12 miles from

2851
01:38:45,430 --> 01:38:43,360
you know land it's free it's free waters

2852
01:38:48,149 --> 01:38:45,440
so all you have to do is put a little

2853
01:38:51,510 --> 01:38:48,159
chinese fishing trawler out there

2854
01:38:52,470 --> 01:38:51,520
uh or a soviet fishing boat you know and

2855
01:38:54,070 --> 01:38:52,480
now you can start

2856
01:38:57,350 --> 01:38:54,080
picking up all of our information and

2857
01:38:59,910 --> 01:38:57,360
you know listening to radio frequencies

2858
01:39:01,189 --> 01:38:59,920
so i'm sure without a doubt um you know

2859
01:39:01,669 --> 01:39:01,199
there's all these fishing boats out

2860
01:39:03,510 --> 01:39:01,679
there

2861
01:39:04,870 --> 01:39:03,520
you know greater than 12 miles off off

2862
01:39:07,750 --> 01:39:04,880
of land

2863
01:39:10,149 --> 01:39:07,760
um so i'm sure they're looking forward

2864
01:39:13,669 --> 01:39:11,910
okay i was just curious if you've ever

2865
01:39:16,629 --> 01:39:13,679
been made aware of that or if that was

2866
01:39:18,229 --> 01:39:16,639
something on your own's minds

2867
01:39:19,830 --> 01:39:18,239
yeah again i mean these these they're

2868
01:39:22,629 --> 01:39:19,840
not messing around you know the whole

2869
01:39:23,910 --> 01:39:22,639
the mission is is very uh intense

2870
01:39:26,470 --> 01:39:23,920
everyone on that

2871
01:39:28,550 --> 01:39:26,480
everyone in you know the military takes

2872
01:39:30,709 --> 01:39:28,560
it very seriously especially

2873
01:39:33,030 --> 01:39:30,719
the pilots you know and yeah all the

2874
01:39:34,229 --> 01:39:33,040
operators on the ships i mean

2875
01:39:36,229 --> 01:39:34,239
yeah and that's it right that's the

2876
01:39:37,350 --> 01:39:36,239
enemy russia china you know if anyone

2877
01:39:38,149 --> 01:39:37,360
didn't know that's who we're training

2878
01:39:40,390 --> 01:39:38,159
against

2879
01:39:41,750 --> 01:39:40,400
um so i'm pretty sure that's who we are

2880
01:39:44,550 --> 01:39:41,760
trying to watch

2881
01:39:46,790 --> 01:39:44,560
um you know and i'm sure right now our

2882
01:39:48,470 --> 01:39:46,800
intelligence agencies

2883
01:39:51,430 --> 01:39:48,480
are at least considering is could this

2884
01:39:52,870 --> 01:39:51,440
be you know russia or china

2885
01:39:54,550 --> 01:39:52,880
but in the report right they say it's

2886
01:39:58,390 --> 01:39:54,560
not so

2887
01:40:01,430 --> 01:39:58,400
obviously yeah they somehow know

2888
01:40:03,350 --> 01:40:01,440
um all right jonathan thanks so much for

2889
01:40:05,430 --> 01:40:03,360
the call

2890
01:40:06,470 --> 01:40:05,440
all right thank you yeah all right next

2891
01:40:08,149 --> 01:40:06,480
we have john

2892
01:40:10,950 --> 01:40:08,159
calling from california welcome to the

2893
01:40:13,669 --> 01:40:10,960
show john you're on the air

2894
01:40:15,590 --> 01:40:13,679
thank you martin hey chris uh thanks uh

2895
01:40:16,229 --> 01:40:15,600
thanks for uh coming on today i really

2896
01:40:18,229 --> 01:40:16,239
uh

2897
01:40:19,590 --> 01:40:18,239
enjoy your youtube videos and your

2898
01:40:21,750 --> 01:40:19,600
expert analysis

2899
01:40:22,870 --> 01:40:21,760
i just have a like an opinion question

2900
01:40:25,030 --> 01:40:22,880
for you because you're

2901
01:40:26,390 --> 01:40:25,040
your air force uh and you might have

2902
01:40:28,149 --> 01:40:26,400
been asked this before and i think you

2903
01:40:29,109 --> 01:40:28,159
touched on this briefly on one of your

2904
01:40:30,950 --> 01:40:29,119
videos but

2905
01:40:34,229 --> 01:40:30,960
the navy has come forward with a lot of

2906
01:40:36,790 --> 01:40:34,239
info over the last especially since 2017

2907
01:40:37,910 --> 01:40:36,800
how come the air force and your opinion

2908
01:40:40,629 --> 01:40:37,920
uh has been

2909
01:40:42,070 --> 01:40:40,639
you know pretty silent on on uaps uh do

2910
01:40:43,430 --> 01:40:42,080
you have that do you have an opinion on

2911
01:40:45,750 --> 01:40:43,440
that i mean uh

2912
01:40:47,030 --> 01:40:45,760
it just seems like uh you know they're

2913
01:40:49,270 --> 01:40:47,040
they're the ones that

2914
01:40:51,510 --> 01:40:49,280
protect our airways and these things are

2915
01:40:53,109 --> 01:40:51,520
in the air mainly so uh

2916
01:40:55,430 --> 01:40:53,119
do you have any opinion on things the

2917
01:40:57,590 --> 01:40:55,440
air force is awful quiet on this

2918
01:40:59,109 --> 01:40:57,600
it is yeah i mentioned the couple times

2919
01:41:01,990 --> 01:40:59,119
right i think chris mellon

2920
01:41:04,229 --> 01:41:02,000
in his first uh something he wrote oh it

2921
01:41:05,910 --> 01:41:04,239
was his expectations for the uap report

2922
01:41:08,229 --> 01:41:05,920
i remember i read that

2923
01:41:10,470 --> 01:41:08,239
and he mentioned that the air force

2924
01:41:12,709 --> 01:41:10,480
didn't even start a uap

2925
01:41:14,550 --> 01:41:12,719
you know process or uap reporting

2926
01:41:16,629 --> 01:41:14,560
process until november

2927
01:41:17,990 --> 01:41:16,639
2020. you know essentially when marco

2928
01:41:19,510 --> 01:41:18,000
rubio the senate intelligence

2929
01:41:22,070 --> 01:41:19,520
act said you know you have to do this

2930
01:41:23,910 --> 01:41:22,080
report that's when the air force started

2931
01:41:25,109 --> 01:41:23,920
uh and then he mentioned it again in

2932
01:41:27,669 --> 01:41:25,119
this most recent

2933
01:41:29,910 --> 01:41:27,679
his response to uap report when he said

2934
01:41:32,870 --> 01:41:29,920
you know bureaucratic uh

2935
01:41:33,109 --> 01:41:32,880
issues essentially or just are hurting

2936
01:41:35,350 --> 01:41:33,119
it

2937
01:41:36,470 --> 01:41:35,360
um i i you know i've been thinking about

2938
01:41:39,189 --> 01:41:36,480
that i have a couple

2939
01:41:40,390 --> 01:41:39,199
like theories again just uh guesses

2940
01:41:43,430 --> 01:41:40,400
essentially

2941
01:41:45,990 --> 01:41:43,440
um well the first thing is the navy

2942
01:41:47,910 --> 01:41:46,000
has amazing radar tech you know they

2943
01:41:50,950 --> 01:41:47,920
really have all the radars they have

2944
01:41:54,070 --> 01:41:50,960
you know we have airborne we have a wax

2945
01:41:55,270 --> 01:41:54,080
as well but a wax is a very it's an old

2946
01:41:56,470 --> 01:41:55,280
radar you know it

2947
01:41:58,070 --> 01:41:56,480
it's one of those things it's like

2948
01:41:59,270 --> 01:41:58,080
aristotle you know we were talking about

2949
01:42:02,310 --> 01:41:59,280
martin uh

2950
01:42:03,430 --> 01:42:02,320
he was uh the the a wax was so um

2951
01:42:05,830 --> 01:42:03,440
successful

2952
01:42:07,510 --> 01:42:05,840
that we haven't really upgraded it you

2953
01:42:08,229 --> 01:42:07,520
know so we've had the same kind of

2954
01:42:11,590 --> 01:42:08,239
spinning

2955
01:42:14,070 --> 01:42:11,600
um system i don't know 40 years

2956
01:42:15,830 --> 01:42:14,080
for the awax where if you look at the

2957
01:42:17,430 --> 01:42:15,840
navy so they have just

2958
01:42:19,109 --> 01:42:17,440
they have unbelievable assistant you

2959
01:42:20,390 --> 01:42:19,119
know they have aegis cruisers the

2960
01:42:23,910 --> 01:42:20,400
princeton

2961
01:42:25,270 --> 01:42:23,920
this spy one radar uh

2962
01:42:27,109 --> 01:42:25,280
i've worked with that actually i've

2963
01:42:28,790 --> 01:42:27,119
tried to attack aegis cruisers i was

2964
01:42:31,750 --> 01:42:28,800
running exercise my last job

2965
01:42:32,709 --> 01:42:31,760
um in nato where you try and attack an

2966
01:42:34,950 --> 01:42:32,719
aegis cruiser

2967
01:42:36,629 --> 01:42:34,960
which is a terrible idea right with with

2968
01:42:38,629 --> 01:42:36,639
uh with planes

2969
01:42:39,669 --> 01:42:38,639
um those things are really amazing and

2970
01:42:43,590 --> 01:42:39,679
so they have all these

2971
01:42:45,430 --> 01:42:43,600
upgraded radar technologies um

2972
01:42:47,109 --> 01:42:45,440
that that are that are actually pointing

2973
01:42:49,430 --> 01:42:47,119
them out you know you look at the nimitz

2974
01:42:50,229 --> 01:42:49,440
is they were vectored there from their

2975
01:42:52,310 --> 01:42:50,239
radar

2976
01:42:54,390 --> 01:42:52,320
when they had the new upgrade on their

2977
01:42:56,070 --> 01:42:54,400
navy radar so that that's one thing is

2978
01:42:57,510 --> 01:42:56,080
we just don't have those radar we don't

2979
01:43:02,709 --> 01:42:57,520
have those systems

2980
01:43:04,870 --> 01:43:02,719
um yeah and the second one is

2981
01:43:06,550 --> 01:43:04,880
i just to finish uh the second thing is

2982
01:43:07,590 --> 01:43:06,560
what i've also noticed is

2983
01:43:09,669 --> 01:43:07,600
you know if you look where they're

2984
01:43:11,270 --> 01:43:09,679
seeing these these uh these uap

2985
01:43:12,790 --> 01:43:11,280
sightings it's really around their

2986
01:43:15,030 --> 01:43:12,800
nuclear reactors

2987
01:43:16,390 --> 01:43:15,040
um you know the theodore roosevelt you

2988
01:43:17,990 --> 01:43:16,400
gotta remember these ships are out there

2989
01:43:19,270 --> 01:43:18,000
they're traveling around with nukes you

2990
01:43:20,950 --> 01:43:19,280
know running nukes you got these

2991
01:43:21,750 --> 01:43:20,960
submarines under the under the water

2992
01:43:23,750 --> 01:43:21,760
with nukes

2993
01:43:24,870 --> 01:43:23,760
and then you also have all the

2994
01:43:26,870 --> 01:43:24,880
supposedly

2995
01:43:28,550 --> 01:43:26,880
you know chris mellon was also he was

2996
01:43:29,270 --> 01:43:28,560
really adamant on that is what's up with

2997
01:43:33,270 --> 01:43:29,280
the

2998
01:43:35,430 --> 01:43:33,280
going offline

2999
01:43:36,310 --> 01:43:35,440
um so i think that may also be another

3000
01:43:39,189 --> 01:43:36,320
instance is

3001
01:43:39,990 --> 01:43:39,199
uh maybe they're drawn to these nuclear

3002
01:43:41,189 --> 01:43:40,000
reactors

3003
01:43:42,390 --> 01:43:41,199
you know maybe that's why they followed

3004
01:43:44,229 --> 01:43:42,400
the roosevelt because they're like hey

3005
01:43:47,350 --> 01:43:44,239
what are these people doing

3006
01:43:48,149 --> 01:43:47,360
um literally uh and so that that's

3007
01:43:51,750 --> 01:43:48,159
that's another

3008
01:43:53,350 --> 01:43:51,760
i mentioned in my last video the

3009
01:43:55,510 --> 01:43:53,360
the air force is just a bureaucratic

3010
01:43:57,510 --> 01:43:55,520
mess right now you know the

3011
01:43:58,790 --> 01:43:57,520
the last 10 years 10 years ago we were

3012
01:44:00,550 --> 01:43:58,800
the best uh

3013
01:44:02,390 --> 01:44:00,560
and then they cut like 20 percent of our

3014
01:44:04,310 --> 01:44:02,400
people and we said hey we're gonna fire

3015
01:44:07,430 --> 01:44:04,320
all of our admin administrators

3016
01:44:09,830 --> 01:44:07,440
and we're gonna do uh digital and

3017
01:44:11,750 --> 01:44:09,840
and it just it did not work it's just

3018
01:44:14,229 --> 01:44:11,760
been a total train wreck

3019
01:44:16,229 --> 01:44:14,239
so honestly our bureaucratic processes

3020
01:44:17,910 --> 01:44:16,239
in the air force are just a total train

3021
01:44:20,070 --> 01:44:17,920
wreck it would take it literally takes

3022
01:44:21,910 --> 01:44:20,080
like your four-star general to say hey

3023
01:44:23,669 --> 01:44:21,920
go do this and a lot of times they can't

3024
01:44:25,669 --> 01:44:23,679
make it happen

3025
01:44:27,990 --> 01:44:25,679
and so they have to keep trying so i

3026
01:44:31,430 --> 01:44:28,000
guess those three things if that answers

3027
01:44:33,189 --> 01:44:31,440
your question it certainly does chris

3028
01:44:35,350 --> 01:44:33,199
thanks so much for your clarity that's

3029
01:44:36,470 --> 01:44:35,360
uh those three things were excellent

3030
01:44:38,070 --> 01:44:36,480
answers and uh

3031
01:44:40,070 --> 01:44:38,080
keep doing the videos buddy we really

3032
01:44:41,109 --> 01:44:40,080
appreciate uh awesome no thanks for the

3033
01:44:43,510 --> 01:44:41,119
support thanks a lot

3034
01:44:44,709 --> 01:44:43,520
i appreciate it thanks mark yeah um

3035
01:44:47,109 --> 01:44:44,719
thank you for that

3036
01:44:49,189 --> 01:44:47,119
and uh for that call we have mike coming

3037
01:44:51,830 --> 01:44:49,199
up but just one minute i wanted to

3038
01:44:52,790 --> 01:44:51,840
have you if you would put out there how

3039
01:44:54,790 --> 01:44:52,800
people can see your

3040
01:44:56,470 --> 01:44:54,800
youtube channel it is i do believe i

3041
01:44:57,590 --> 01:44:56,480
have it in the in the show notes if not

3042
01:44:59,750 --> 01:44:57,600
it will be in

3043
01:45:01,189 --> 01:44:59,760
but um yeah it's uh chris lately your

3044
01:45:02,629 --> 01:45:01,199
name right

3045
01:45:04,470 --> 01:45:02,639
yeah i didn't want to like trying to

3046
01:45:05,030 --> 01:45:04,480
rebrand or something so i just went with

3047
01:45:09,270 --> 01:45:05,040
my name

3048
01:45:12,709 --> 01:45:09,280
which worked yeah yeah chris l-e-h-t-o

3049
01:45:14,470 --> 01:45:12,719
it's finished it's spelled the wrong way

3050
01:45:16,149 --> 01:45:14,480
i was considering changing it the h

3051
01:45:17,830 --> 01:45:16,159
comes before the t

3052
01:45:19,590 --> 01:45:17,840
yeah i'm just going to try and make i'm

3053
01:45:22,310 --> 01:45:19,600
trying to make more videos actually

3054
01:45:23,350 --> 01:45:22,320
you know it's um the deep analysis

3055
01:45:25,270 --> 01:45:23,360
videos are just

3056
01:45:26,550 --> 01:45:25,280
you know my brain hurts afterwards uh

3057
01:45:30,149 --> 01:45:26,560
but i'm trying just to get

3058
01:45:32,870 --> 01:45:30,159
just more uh make it more informal

3059
01:45:34,470 --> 01:45:32,880
i guess uh i just can't do a deep

3060
01:45:35,590 --> 01:45:34,480
analysis video every week and i'll go

3061
01:45:38,070 --> 01:45:35,600
crazy you know so

3062
01:45:39,350 --> 01:45:38,080
yeah yeah now we have a mike from long

3063
01:45:43,990 --> 01:45:39,360
island on the line

3064
01:45:46,310 --> 01:45:44,000
mike you're alive welcome to the show

3065
01:45:47,430 --> 01:45:46,320
how are you doing chris uh hey hi mike

3066
01:45:50,229 --> 01:45:47,440
welcome i'm the guy

3067
01:45:51,510 --> 01:45:50,239
i'm i'm the guy that sent you the uh

3068
01:45:54,390 --> 01:45:51,520
washington dc

3069
01:45:55,510 --> 01:45:54,400
info uh oh nice getting images thank you

3070
01:45:59,590 --> 01:45:55,520
what's your idea

3071
01:46:02,629 --> 01:45:59,600
i meant to uh give you props but thanks

3072
01:46:05,669 --> 01:46:02,639
yeah uh i know it was great that you uh

3073
01:46:06,550 --> 01:46:05,679
actually took a look at that and as a

3074
01:46:10,070 --> 01:46:06,560
newbie

3075
01:46:12,790 --> 01:46:10,080
in the u ufo area uh

3076
01:46:13,910 --> 01:46:12,800
you know there's an awful lot in this

3077
01:46:16,470 --> 01:46:13,920
field

3078
01:46:17,189 --> 01:46:16,480
uh that you can kind of go down rabbit

3079
01:46:20,149 --> 01:46:17,199
holes on

3080
01:46:22,149 --> 01:46:20,159
and just wondering at the moment with

3081
01:46:24,390 --> 01:46:22,159
your military background

3082
01:46:25,510 --> 01:46:24,400
and as a pilot you're looking at like

3083
01:46:27,750 --> 01:46:25,520
the nymph you know

3084
01:46:28,870 --> 01:46:27,760
the three videos the nimitz the go fast

3085
01:46:32,870 --> 01:46:28,880
the flear

3086
01:46:37,109 --> 01:46:32,880
uh but are you prepared

3087
01:46:39,830 --> 01:46:37,119
i'll say mentally prepared uh to

3088
01:46:42,070 --> 01:46:39,840
get into other areas uh and what i'm

3089
01:46:45,109 --> 01:46:42,080
thinking of is

3090
01:46:48,310 --> 01:46:45,119
in i would say from the

3091
01:46:51,350 --> 01:46:48,320
perspective of really

3092
01:46:54,390 --> 01:46:51,360
weird stuff there are

3093
01:46:58,149 --> 01:46:54,400
at least three very

3094
01:47:01,830 --> 01:46:58,159
close uh encounters uh

3095
01:47:04,629 --> 01:47:01,840
with actual beings cited one

3096
01:47:06,229 --> 01:47:04,639
and these are in james fox's documentary

3097
01:47:08,629 --> 01:47:06,239
the phenomenon

3098
01:47:11,830 --> 01:47:08,639
there's one in papua new guinea back in

3099
01:47:14,950 --> 01:47:11,840
the late 50s early 60s i recall

3100
01:47:16,870 --> 01:47:14,960
there's uh one in zimbabwe or rhodesia

3101
01:47:20,550 --> 01:47:16,880
as it was i think back then

3102
01:47:23,590 --> 01:47:20,560
at a school hundreds of

3103
01:47:25,990 --> 01:47:23,600
uh you know uh witnesses to this

3104
01:47:28,470 --> 01:47:26,000
uh and then there's another one in an

3105
01:47:32,390 --> 01:47:28,480
australian school

3106
01:47:33,910 --> 01:47:32,400
where there is a again dozens and dozens

3107
01:47:37,109 --> 01:47:33,920
if not a hundred

3108
01:47:40,709 --> 01:47:37,119
eyewitnesses to very close craft

3109
01:47:45,030 --> 01:47:40,719
you know like 50 yards away stationary

3110
01:47:47,270 --> 01:47:45,040
uh with uh beings associated with them

3111
01:47:49,430 --> 01:47:47,280
are you are you prepared to get into

3112
01:47:53,830 --> 01:47:49,440
that stuff

3113
01:47:56,550 --> 01:47:53,840
i mean i'm i'm preparing i'm preparing

3114
01:47:57,830 --> 01:47:56,560
well i may i interject something um yes

3115
01:48:00,629 --> 01:47:57,840
i think you are

3116
01:48:01,990 --> 01:48:00,639
from what i'm seeing so far uh i'm

3117
01:48:03,990 --> 01:48:02,000
seeing that you're

3118
01:48:05,830 --> 01:48:04,000
looking more into what you have an

3119
01:48:07,990 --> 01:48:05,840
expertise in

3120
01:48:09,189 --> 01:48:08,000
uh which is flying and the equipment

3121
01:48:12,070 --> 01:48:09,199
involved

3122
01:48:13,990 --> 01:48:12,080
and and not so much about the other

3123
01:48:15,910 --> 01:48:14,000
things i'm maybe i'm talking for you

3124
01:48:17,750 --> 01:48:15,920
maybe i'm totally out of character

3125
01:48:19,350 --> 01:48:17,760
but is that is that where that's where

3126
01:48:22,310 --> 01:48:19,360
i'm seeing you focus on it

3127
01:48:24,149 --> 01:48:22,320
i like the i think it's the most it's

3128
01:48:26,950 --> 01:48:24,159
the area where i can

3129
01:48:28,390 --> 01:48:26,960
i can contribute the most right i think

3130
01:48:31,669 --> 01:48:28,400
you know um

3131
01:48:33,990 --> 01:48:31,679
and it's the part i know you know like i

3132
01:48:36,390 --> 01:48:34,000
so from my perspective just what i

3133
01:48:37,990 --> 01:48:36,400
believe i guess at this point um

3134
01:48:39,430 --> 01:48:38,000
you know i believe what fraber says you

3135
01:48:40,470 --> 01:48:39,440
know i believe what he says i believe

3136
01:48:42,390 --> 01:48:40,480
what he saw

3137
01:48:43,910 --> 01:48:42,400
and so i'm really going from that angle

3138
01:48:47,109 --> 01:48:43,920
you know and so i i believe

3139
01:48:49,430 --> 01:48:47,119
that that incident happened

3140
01:48:50,470 --> 01:48:49,440
um and you know but then you start so

3141
01:48:52,310 --> 01:48:50,480
yeah i am

3142
01:48:54,709 --> 01:48:52,320
reading on the side you know i'm reading

3143
01:48:57,189 --> 01:48:54,719
several books you know healing

3144
01:49:00,310 --> 01:48:57,199
uh what are healing stories of abduction

3145
01:49:02,310 --> 01:49:00,320
you know i'm reading that um

3146
01:49:03,910 --> 01:49:02,320
and it yeah i mean it's it's crazy how

3147
01:49:05,590 --> 01:49:03,920
much evidence there is you know

3148
01:49:08,070 --> 01:49:05,600
but that's that's kind of the problem

3149
01:49:10,629 --> 01:49:08,080
that there is there's so much evidence

3150
01:49:11,109 --> 01:49:10,639
yeah that it's overwhelming so like you

3151
01:49:14,149 --> 01:49:11,119
you

3152
01:49:16,070 --> 01:49:14,159
i'm just walking along like i'm this

3153
01:49:18,149 --> 01:49:16,080
youtuber you know i'm retired just

3154
01:49:19,589 --> 01:49:18,159
living with my family you know i walk

3155
01:49:22,550 --> 01:49:19,599
into this uap

3156
01:49:23,669 --> 01:49:22,560
kind of discussion um and then you see

3157
01:49:26,070 --> 01:49:23,679
there's just so much

3158
01:49:27,030 --> 01:49:26,080
there's so much evidence behind um it's

3159
01:49:28,709 --> 01:49:27,040
either a zero

3160
01:49:31,270 --> 01:49:28,719
or a one you know it's like do you

3161
01:49:33,990 --> 01:49:31,280
believe do you believe or not

3162
01:49:36,149 --> 01:49:34,000
um and at this point i believe in the

3163
01:49:39,830 --> 01:49:36,159
fravor stuff i believe in the tic tac

3164
01:49:41,990 --> 01:49:39,840
um the omaha stuff is very compelling

3165
01:49:43,430 --> 01:49:42,000
so i'm just focusing on that you know

3166
01:49:44,229 --> 01:49:43,440
and i have my email i just you know

3167
01:49:46,709 --> 01:49:44,239
whatever

3168
01:49:48,470 --> 01:49:46,719
the aliens again uh they can reach me at

3169
01:49:51,510 --> 01:49:48,480
my email they know my youtube channel

3170
01:49:52,550 --> 01:49:51,520
uh yeah yeah we have one more call

3171
01:49:54,070 --> 01:49:52,560
thanks for that call

3172
01:49:56,070 --> 01:49:54,080
um just to let you know i was the first

3173
01:49:57,430 --> 01:49:56,080
one to interview um

3174
01:49:59,589 --> 01:49:57,440
thank you i was the first one to

3175
01:50:02,550 --> 01:49:59,599
interview chris mellon

3176
01:50:04,709 --> 01:50:02,560
and um on this topic and it was it was

3177
01:50:06,950 --> 01:50:04,719
very interesting and and basically chris

3178
01:50:08,629 --> 01:50:06,960
and now we're communicating a lot and

3179
01:50:09,990 --> 01:50:08,639
there was some

3180
01:50:11,830 --> 01:50:10,000
i want to say there were some rabbit

3181
01:50:13,589 --> 01:50:11,840
holes that he could have fallen into

3182
01:50:15,910 --> 01:50:13,599
in the very beginning when because it

3183
01:50:18,470 --> 01:50:15,920
doesn't matter how brilliant you are

3184
01:50:20,310 --> 01:50:18,480
um and and what you know you can still

3185
01:50:22,070 --> 01:50:20,320
fall into these things if you don't

3186
01:50:24,629 --> 01:50:22,080
if you haven't been around it long

3187
01:50:25,910 --> 01:50:24,639
enough so um you know i'll offer this

3188
01:50:28,790 --> 01:50:25,920
to you of course if you have any

3189
01:50:32,390 --> 01:50:28,800
questions i'd be glad to help um

3190
01:50:33,030 --> 01:50:32,400
in regards to the rabbit hole 400 464

3191
01:50:34,550 --> 01:50:33,040
shows because

3192
01:50:37,430 --> 01:50:34,560
we were talking before i kind of wanted

3193
01:50:38,229 --> 01:50:37,440
to ask how you've done it for so long i

3194
01:50:40,070 --> 01:50:38,239
mean yeah

3195
01:50:41,589 --> 01:50:40,080
i want to interview you i guess i don't

3196
01:50:43,350 --> 01:50:41,599
have time thank you

3197
01:50:45,030 --> 01:50:43,360
you're welcome to i'd be glad to come on

3198
01:50:45,510 --> 01:50:45,040
your you can interview me that would be

3199
01:50:47,990 --> 01:50:45,520
fun

3200
01:50:49,430 --> 01:50:48,000
so we have one more caller um we have

3201
01:50:53,030 --> 01:50:49,440
rob from florida

3202
01:50:53,910 --> 01:50:53,040
rob welcome to the show good evening

3203
01:50:55,669 --> 01:50:53,920
martin it's uh

3204
01:50:58,070 --> 01:50:55,679
great to talk to you and i was just in

3205
01:51:01,189 --> 01:50:58,080
maine enjoying your wonderful seafood

3206
01:51:02,629 --> 01:51:01,199
uh colonel uh welcome to the uap uh

3207
01:51:05,990 --> 01:51:02,639
community

3208
01:51:08,870 --> 01:51:06,000
yeah yeah thank you okay oh

3209
01:51:11,109 --> 01:51:08,880
you bet uh the question i have you know

3210
01:51:12,629 --> 01:51:11,119
uh commander fravor stated that the

3211
01:51:15,669 --> 01:51:12,639
minute they painted

3212
01:51:18,709 --> 01:51:15,679
that target with their radar that

3213
01:51:20,870 --> 01:51:18,719
they immediately were jammed and

3214
01:51:22,870 --> 01:51:20,880
the whizzo in his backseat are they able

3215
01:51:23,910 --> 01:51:22,880
to determine what frequencies they were

3216
01:51:27,270 --> 01:51:23,920
being jammed with

3217
01:51:33,830 --> 01:51:31,350
um so we couldn't tell

3218
01:51:35,669 --> 01:51:33,840
so the only the only thing so the radar

3219
01:51:38,709 --> 01:51:35,679
is a program with different

3220
01:51:39,189 --> 01:51:38,719
uh key processing right so they'll know

3221
01:51:41,030 --> 01:51:39,199
i was

3222
01:51:43,510 --> 01:51:41,040
actually electronic attack expert uh in

3223
01:51:45,350 --> 01:51:43,520
the aggressors you know so i was like

3224
01:51:47,189 --> 01:51:45,360
really deep into the the beeps and

3225
01:51:51,189 --> 01:51:47,199
squeaks um

3226
01:51:53,350 --> 01:51:51,199
but basically the radar it will have

3227
01:51:55,830 --> 01:51:53,360
cues you know built into the processing

3228
01:51:58,149 --> 01:51:55,840
to say okay if you see this

3229
01:51:58,950 --> 01:51:58,159
it means uh they're trying to use a

3230
01:52:00,550 --> 01:51:58,960
range gate

3231
01:52:02,550 --> 01:52:00,560
pull off on you they're trying to use a

3232
01:52:05,350 --> 01:52:02,560
program to

3233
01:52:06,550 --> 01:52:05,360
to to trick your radar in range you know

3234
01:52:08,629 --> 01:52:06,560
that's one way you

3235
01:52:11,109 --> 01:52:08,639
you tell the radar hey i'm not i'm not

3236
01:52:12,790 --> 01:52:11,119
10 miles away from you i'm 20 miles

3237
01:52:14,149 --> 01:52:12,800
and then now your radar's looking in the

3238
01:52:16,790 --> 01:52:14,159
wrong spot

3239
01:52:18,390 --> 01:52:16,800
or it changes an angle so it'll say hey

3240
01:52:19,189 --> 01:52:18,400
i'm not this angle from you i'm this

3241
01:52:22,709 --> 01:52:19,199
angle

3242
01:52:25,910 --> 01:52:22,719
um and so the radars they're programmed

3243
01:52:26,950 --> 01:52:25,920
when they see that it trips it um but

3244
01:52:29,990 --> 01:52:26,960
they're not that smart

3245
01:52:32,629 --> 01:52:30,000
especially not back in in 2004 so

3246
01:52:34,149 --> 01:52:32,639
i i think what it means is they don't

3247
01:52:35,830 --> 01:52:34,159
the radar does not understand

3248
01:52:37,910 --> 01:52:35,840
the pulse that came back the pulse that

3249
01:52:39,910 --> 01:52:37,920
came back was changed it's

3250
01:52:42,070 --> 01:52:39,920
it was either changed on purpose by the

3251
01:52:43,030 --> 01:52:42,080
object you know to denote like it they

3252
01:52:44,950 --> 01:52:43,040
jammed me

3253
01:52:46,550 --> 01:52:44,960
you know an act of war you know i would

3254
01:52:49,350 --> 01:52:46,560
j i would jam a russian aircraft

3255
01:52:51,430 --> 01:52:49,360
i thought you know uh but jamming uh

3256
01:52:53,830 --> 01:52:51,440
probably not actually

3257
01:52:55,750 --> 01:52:53,840
uh but jamming would mean that it it may

3258
01:52:58,310 --> 01:52:55,760
have just done it by accident or

3259
01:52:59,510 --> 01:52:58,320
just by the nature um you know if you

3260
01:53:01,589 --> 01:52:59,520
tried to lock

3261
01:53:02,629 --> 01:53:01,599
water it would give you a weird response

3262
01:53:04,310 --> 01:53:02,639
um

3263
01:53:07,109 --> 01:53:04,320
so i think that's it you you can't

3264
01:53:09,669 --> 01:53:07,119
confirm that it is jamming when they say

3265
01:53:12,070 --> 01:53:09,679
i was jammed what i actually read as an

3266
01:53:15,030 --> 01:53:12,080
electronic attack expert

3267
01:53:16,629 --> 01:53:15,040
is that the radar pulse was changed

3268
01:53:19,270 --> 01:53:16,639
that's all i know for sure

3269
01:53:20,470 --> 01:53:19,280
it's just it's very uh it's very

3270
01:53:23,669 --> 01:53:20,480
interesting

3271
01:53:27,350 --> 01:53:23,679
that there's no radar lock in any of the

3272
01:53:29,510 --> 01:53:27,360
videos and there's no laser ranging

3273
01:53:31,189 --> 01:53:29,520
um you know because if i don't have a

3274
01:53:32,070 --> 01:53:31,199
radar lock but i have a targeting pod

3275
01:53:33,589 --> 01:53:32,080
lock man i'm

3276
01:53:34,870 --> 01:53:33,599
squeezing that trigger to get a laser

3277
01:53:36,470 --> 01:53:34,880
you know i'm shooting a laser at this

3278
01:53:37,510 --> 01:53:36,480
thing for sure to get the range you know

3279
01:53:38,870 --> 01:53:37,520
because

3280
01:53:41,589 --> 01:53:38,880
you're basically if you don't know the

3281
01:53:43,510 --> 01:53:41,599
range you feel as a pilot like

3282
01:53:44,709 --> 01:53:43,520
i'm missing something you know um

3283
01:53:46,149 --> 01:53:44,719
something's missing something very

3284
01:53:48,310 --> 01:53:46,159
critical is missing

3285
01:53:49,589 --> 01:53:48,320
is the range so that's all i would say

3286
01:53:51,430 --> 01:53:49,599
is

3287
01:53:52,950 --> 01:53:51,440
the energy has been changed we don't

3288
01:53:55,030 --> 01:53:52,960
know if it's on purpose

3289
01:53:56,790 --> 01:53:55,040
the radar maybe it says it's on purpose

3290
01:53:59,350 --> 01:53:56,800
but it's really just some processing in

3291
01:54:02,310 --> 01:53:59,360
the radar that that could be incorrect

3292
01:54:05,109 --> 01:54:02,320
well we are at the end of our show so

3293
01:54:07,750 --> 01:54:05,119
rob thank you for the call

3294
01:54:09,270 --> 01:54:07,760
oh you better always a pleasure yeah

3295
01:54:10,149 --> 01:54:09,280
thanks rob sorry i hope that answered it

3296
01:54:13,189 --> 01:54:10,159
yeah

3297
01:54:14,870 --> 01:54:13,199
so much

3298
01:54:16,790 --> 01:54:14,880
uh chris it's been a real pleasure let's

3299
01:54:17,430 --> 01:54:16,800
keep in touch and again i'll be glad to

3300
01:54:19,109 --> 01:54:17,440
help you with

3301
01:54:20,950 --> 01:54:19,119
whatever questions you have that i can

3302
01:54:23,830 --> 01:54:20,960
help you with i'd be

3303
01:54:25,510 --> 01:54:23,840
very happy too a lot of people check out

3304
01:54:27,510 --> 01:54:25,520
your videos and i hope you keep

3305
01:54:28,790 --> 01:54:27,520
having the energy to do more because

3306
01:54:30,709 --> 01:54:28,800
they're really great

3307
01:54:31,830 --> 01:54:30,719
so yeah i appreciate all the support

3308
01:54:34,709 --> 01:54:31,840
from everybody i mean

3309
01:54:35,030 --> 01:54:34,719
it does help and yeah that it does help

3310
01:54:36,550 --> 01:54:35,040
so

3311
01:54:38,550 --> 01:54:36,560
i'll continue doing it you know if

3312
01:54:40,149 --> 01:54:38,560
people are if they're excited about it

3313
01:54:43,350 --> 01:54:40,159
then it does rub off you know

3314
01:54:44,709 --> 01:54:43,360
it rubs out right the uh the excitement

3315
01:54:46,629 --> 01:54:44,719
and it is tough getting like all the

3316
01:54:47,430 --> 01:54:46,639
haters but uh whatever i haven't gotten

3317
01:54:49,990 --> 01:54:47,440
many lately

3318
01:54:51,030 --> 01:54:50,000
so yeah yeah all right and uh next week

3319
01:54:52,950 --> 01:54:51,040
we have chris

3320
01:54:55,270 --> 01:54:52,960
spark on i said that by accident last

3321
01:54:57,430 --> 01:54:55,280
week but um i had the wrong chris

3322
01:54:59,189 --> 01:54:57,440
uh when i was talking so here we are out

3323
01:55:01,430 --> 01:54:59,199
in maine and thanks so much for

3324
01:55:03,430 --> 01:55:01,440
joining the show and we'll see you next

3325
01:55:23,810 --> 01:55:03,440
week and remember to keep your eyes